Seeking Answers About Universities

[Abdul_Haqq]

As Salam Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,


I am trying to receive information about a few different Islamic universities because I am trying to decide which one i best for me and which one has the best (educated in Qur'an and sunnah) ulama. If anybody is able to answer any of the questions below, please do.


1. In your opinion, which university is best and why- Al Azhar fi Cairo; Umm Al Qura fi Makkah; Islamic University of Madinah.


2. What are some of the differences between Umm Al Qura and Al Islamic University of Madinah?

3. What are the chances of a regular Muslim being accepted into Umm Al Qura or Al Islamic University of Madinah? Note: I must first complete the Arabic learning course.

[Yusuf]

Wa 'Alaykum as-Salaam wa-Rahmatullahi wa-Barakatuhu,

1. In your opinion, which university is best and why- Al Azhar fi Cairo; Umm Al Qura fi Makkah; Islamic University of Madinah.-
Every university of any discipline has its strengths and its weaknesses and Allah knows best.

2. What are some of the differences between Umm Al Qura and Al Islamic University of Madinah?
One main difference is that Umm al-Qurra is not limited to Islamic studies as opposed to the Islamic University of Madeenah. Also Umm al-Qurra has both male and female students (who have a mahram in Makkah) whereas the Islamic University of Madeenah is only for brothers.

3. What are the chances of a regular Muslim being accepted into Umm Al Qura or Al Islamic University of Madinah? Note: I must first complete the Arabic learning course.
My advice is to make sincere du'aa to Allah because it is only He who will grant you entrance into either of these two universities. If the director and all of the staff and even the King of Saudi Arabia were to assist you in admission in these universities and Allah has not written it for you then you will not be admitted. Likewise, if no one was to support you and even if someone was to attempt to prevent you from gaining admission and Allah has written the admission for you then you will be admitted.

This is the advice that was given to me personally by a student of Sharee'ah at the Islamic University of Madeenah and as you may know it is based on the advice that the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) gave to Ibn 'Abbaas (radiyallahu 'anhumma).

As far as the amount of students that are accepted on a yearly basis by the two universities then it is based on a quota system that has been decided by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia due to the fact that both are international universities, although Umm al-Qurra was originally for Saudi nationals only in the beginning but it has now expanded. What this means is that they have selected an amount of students to accept from each country in the world into the universities based on the needs of each country for da'wah and people of knowledge to call people to Islam.

I am assuming that you are an American. For Americans, the amount of students Umm al-Qurra selects is quite low, like only around 3 students. I have heard that their waiting list for accepting students is like 3-4 years backed up but I am not sure how true this is and as you may know if you have the proper references and contacts then a waiting list doesn't matter in Muslim countries. For the Islamic University of Madeenah they usually select around a dozen students. As far as not knowing Arabic then this is not really an issue since both universities have an Arabic Institute division to teach those students who are not yet fluent in the Arabic language.

My personal advice is that you make sure all of the required documents for admission are notarized and meeting the requirements of the universities. Make sure you follow the application process carefully and do your best to make sure that you have given them the correct documents and information on your application. Secondly, I advise that you save up and go for 'Umrah and hand in your application directly. I have heard that for Umm al-Qurra some have said you have to apply from the Saudi Embassy in USA but there is still confusion regarding this. Perhaps you can call the Embassy and ask them but don't expect them to have the correct answer. As far as the Islamic University of Madeenah then it is possible to apply directly in person. This is very important because you must also do an interview along with applying and if you send from US the application you will not be able to do the interview. Make sure you pick the right time to do 'Umrah to apply at the universities. Regretfully this is not during Ramadhaan or Dhul-Hijjah when it would ideally be the best time to do 'Umrah since the universities are not in operation for the majority of these months or the staff is very laid back. On the application they have the dates for accepting applications. Once you apply in person and do the interview, try to get a copy of the application and follow up on it afterwards, preferably through another student attending the university.

This is my advice to you dear brother and I ask Allah to make it easy for you to seek knowledge and learn this deen for His sake and to raise ignorance from yourself and from others. I am probably forgetting alot of important information and I apologize for that but if I can help you any further do not hesitate to ask.

Also I apologize to the admins if I have broken any rules by posting this information. Please forgive me if this is the case. And Allah knows best.

[Abdul_Haqq]

As Sala Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,

JazakAllah khair for all your help and advice.


Every university of any discipline has its strengths and its weaknesses and Allah knows best.


One main difference is that Umm al-Qurra is not limited to Islamic studies as opposed to the Islamic University of Madeenah. Also Umm al-Qurra has both male and female students (who have a mahram in Makkah) whereas the Islamic University of Madeenah is only for brothers.

Could you go into more detail about the strengths and weaknesses of Umm Al Qura and Al Islamic University of Madinah?


I am assuming that you are an American. For Americans, the amount of students Umm al-Qurra selects is quite low, like only around 3 students. I have heard that their waiting list for accepting students is like 3-4 years backed up but I am not sure how true this is and as you may know if you have the proper references and contacts then a waiting list doesn't matter in Muslim countries. For the Islamic University of Madeenah they usually select around a dozen students. As far as not knowing Arabic then this is not really an issue since both universities have an Arabic Institute division to teach those students who are not yet fluent in the Arabic language.

From what I have read from various websites and heard from various people, tuition into the universities (both) are free. The university pays for EVERYTHING. But do they pay for your living expenses and books, etc when you are studying in the Arabic Institute with having the intention of graduating and moving on to attending the university (shariah for example)?


My personal advice is that you make sure all of the required documents for admission are notarized and meeting the requirements of the universities. Make sure you follow the application process carefully and do your best to make sure that you have given them the correct documents and information on your application.

Where can I find a detailed guide to the specific documents and whatever else I need with my application? (I am most interested in Islamic University of Madinah)

Secondly, I advise that you save up and go for 'Umrah and hand in your application directly. I have heard that for Umm al-Qurra some have said you have to apply from the Saudi Embassy in USA but there is still confusion regarding this. Perhaps you can call the Embassy and ask them but don't expect them to have the correct answer. As far as the Islamic University of Madeenah then it is possible to apply directly in person.
This is very important because you must also do an interview along with applying and if you send from US the application you will not be able to do the interview. Make sure you pick the right time to do 'Umrah to apply at the universities. Regretfully this is not during Ramadhaan or Dhul-Hijjah when it would ideally be the best time to do 'Umrah since the universities are not in operation for the majority of these months or the staff is very laid back. On the application they have the dates for accepting applications. Once you apply in person and do the interview, try to get a copy of the application and follow up on it afterwards, preferably through another student attending the university.

I would love to do this. But I haven't done my fard hajj yet, and I'm guessing the university is not open during hajj time, correct?

If I am able to apply in person, what does the interview consist of?

If I'm not able to apply in person, does this mean that my chances of being accepted are none?

[Yusuf]

Wa 'Alaykum as-Salaam wa-Rahmatullahi wa-Barakatuhu,

Could you go into more detail about the strengths and weaknesses of Umm Al Qura and Al Islamic University of Madinah?
I am not really fit to answer this question just I wanted to make a point that for sure every school of any kind in the world has its own strengths and weaknesses. An important point at the same time is that regardless of the schools strengths and weaknesses, a student must make sure he or she is working on their own strengths and weaknesses since this is what will determine how much they learn and benefit from whichever school they attend in the end. A bonus for both of these universities is that the knowledge that is available in the cities they are in, Makkah and Madeenah, is not limited to the universities but rather available all throughout at various Masaajid where the scholars teach.

From what I have read from various websites and heard from various people, tuition into the universities (both) are free. The university pays for EVERYTHING. But do they pay for your living expenses and books, etc when you are studying in the Arabic Institute with having the intention of graduating and moving on to attending the university (shariah for example)?
If you are attending the Arabic Institute at the University then they still pay for your living expenses and books. They give you a room at the dorms at the University to live at and a monthly stipend that is sufficient for a student who is living a simple life.

Where can I find a detailed guide to the specific documents and whatever else I need with my application? (I am most interested in Islamic University of Madinah)
Here (http://www.iu.edu.sa/english/admission/documentsreq.htm).

I would love to do this. But I haven't done my fard hajj yet, and I'm guessing the university is not open during hajj time, correct?

If I am able to apply in person, what does the interview consist of?

If I'm not able to apply in person, does this mean that my chances of being accepted are none?
The University is closed for break during Hajj time to allow the staff and students to perform Hajj. The interview is quite informal they just ask you several basic questions that vary from person to person. As far as not being able to apply in person then it is okay if this is the case just preferred if you could apply in person. Actually most of the students I know at the University did not apply in person. And Allah knows best.

[Abdul_Haqq]

Wa 'Alaykum as-Salaam wa-Rahmatullahi wa-Barakatuhu,


I am not really fit to answer this question just I wanted to make a point that for sure every school of any kind in the world has its own strengths and weaknesses. An important point at the same time is that regardless of the schools strengths and weaknesses, a student must make sure he or she is working on their own strengths and weaknesses since this is what will determine how much they learn and benefit from whichever school they attend in the end. A bonus for both of these universities is that the knowledge that is available in the cities they are in, Makkah and Madeenah, is not limited to the universities but rather available all throughout at various Masaajid where the scholars teach.


If you are attending the Arabic Institute at the University then they still pay for your living expenses and books. They give you a room at the dorms at the University to live at and a monthly stipend that is sufficient for a student who is living a simple life.


Here (http://www.iu.edu.sa/english/admission/documentsreq.htm).


The University is closed for break during Hajj time to allow the staff and students to perform Hajj. The interview is quite informal they just ask you several basic questions that vary from person to person. As far as not being able to apply in person then it is okay if this is the case just preferred if you could apply in person. Actually most of the students I know at the University did not apply in person. And Allah knows best.


As Salam Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,

Akhy, you have provided EXCELLENT information. JazakAllah khair wa barakAllah fik.

The only other things I want to know more about is the differences of the universities, as to try to figure out which would best fit me. If you know anybody that can email me, or even reply on this forum, please let me or them know, insha'Allah ta'ala.

It seems that Al Islamic University fi Madinah would be better since it seems they would probably accept me faster than Umm Al Qura. I have also heard that Al Islamic University of Madinah is stricter and teaches the students more discipline and how to apply it to the deen. Can you comment on that?

I am not sure if you are a student there, or were, but can you give me a general example of life is at the university such as how many days a week there are classes and how many hours each day?

[Yusuf]

Wa 'Alaykum as-Salaam wa-Rahmatullahi wa-Barakatuhu,

I am not a student of either of these universities but I will do my best to see if I can find someone to contact you or I will try to gather the information myself and share it with you insha' Allah. I would personally encourage you to try not to limit your options and to try to get accepted into both universities. The official policy of these universities is that you must be 25 years old or less, but as I said before with certain contacts official policies do not matter in Muslim countries. I do not know how old you are but I suggest you do not hesitate to apply. Even if you have other responsibilities such as college or work or any other need that prevents you from travelling there to study at this very moment, do not allow these things to prevent you from applying now because if you get accepted it could still take 1-3 years to get accepted and by that time the preventive responsibility you may have had before could be removed from you at that time. Again I do not know you personal situation so I am just offering general advice and Allah knows best.

As far as people saying one university being more strict than others I would suggest you take all these opinions from people as just that.. opinions. There is a person's opinion and then there is the reality. Although I am not a student of the Islamic University of Madeenah yet, I have been there several times and I have seen strong, disciplined students and also I have seen lazy, idle students who are wasting their time and the time of their teachers. I think this opinion about the university stems from two things: (1) it is located in the blessed city of Rasulullah (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) which has many prominent scholars, such as Shaykh Muhammad ibn Muhammad al-Mukhtaar ash-Shanqeetee (hafidhahullah) who teaches at the university as well as in Masjid an-Nabawi and (2) the high standard of graduates we have witnessed in the West that has produced this very institute, AlMaghrib Institute, may Allah reward them and allow us to benefit from them!

However the activities of graduates of the Islamic University of Madeenah should not let one look down on the activities of graduates of Umm al-Qurra. The reason I say this is that every year there are many graduates from the Islamic University of Madeenah, even from the West, yet we only see a handful of them active in giving da'wah in the West. I believe personally that this is because of what I said before: "regardless of the schools strengths and weaknesses, a student must make sure he or she is working on their own strengths and weaknesses since this is what will determine how much they learn and benefit from whichever school they attend in the end."

On the other hand, the lack of apparent da'wah activity from any student of knowledge is not an indication that they aren't doing any da'wah neccesarily. And as I mentioned before, Umm al-Qurra has mainly been a university aimed towards Saudi students not international students so this may be a cause for us to not be hearing about the wonderful Islamic studies program that Umm al-Qurra offers. Actually if you think about it, it is only due to a handful of top grade graduates from the Islamic University of Madeenah that we have become so familiar with it.

On another note, there is a third university in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia that you may want to consider and that is Al-Imaam Muhammad ibn Sa'ood Islamic University (http://www.imamu.edu.sa/). Like the other two universities, this university and the region it is located in has many prominent teachers and graduates in the past and present, such as Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-'Uthaymeen (rahimahullah) as well the newest AlMaghrib Instructor Shaykh Waleed al-Basyouni (hafidhahullah). The catch is that if you think applying to Umm al-Qurra and the Islamic University of Madeenah is difficult, wait until you see this university! Brothers are having a hard enough time even trying to find the application to apply and since it is in Riyaadh you cannot travel there on an 'Umrah/Hajj visa. In the past, the main way to get to this university was through IIASA (http://www.iiasa.org/), it's branch in America, but I am not sure about this anymore you may want to check up on it.

I am beginning to feel like I am rambling and I'm not sure if what I am saying will make sense to you so I will stop here. If you are confused about what I am trying to say please let me know and I will try to clarify insha' Allah. And Allah knows best.

[Abdul_Haqq]

Wa 'Alaykum as-Salaam wa-Rahmatullahi wa-Barakatuhu,

I am not a student of either of these universities but I will do my best to see if I can find someone to contact you or I will try to gather the information myself and share it with you insha' Allah. I would personally encourage you to try not to limit your options and to try to get accepted into both universities. The official policy of these universities is that you must be 25 years old or less, but as I said before with certain contacts official policies do not matter in Muslim countries. I do not know how old you are but I suggest you do not hesitate to apply. Even if you have other responsibilities such as college or work or any other need that prevents you from travelling there to study at this very moment, do not allow these things to prevent you from applying now because if you get accepted it could still take 1-3 years to get accepted and by that time the preventive responsibility you may have had before could be removed from you at that time. Again I do not know you personal situation so I am just offering general advice and Allah knows best.

As far as people saying one university being more strict than others I would suggest you take all these opinions from people as just that.. opinions. There is a person's opinion and then there is the reality. Although I am not a student of the Islamic University of Madeenah yet, I have been there several times and I have seen strong, disciplined students and also I have seen lazy, idle students who are wasting their time and the time of their teachers. I think this opinion about the university stems from two things: (1) it is located in the blessed city of Rasulullah (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) which has many prominent scholars, such as Shaykh Muhammad ibn Muhammad al-Mukhtaar ash-Shanqeetee (hafidhahullah) who teaches at the university as well as in Masjid an-Nabawi and (2) the high standard of graduates we have witnessed in the West that has produced this very institute, AlMaghrib Institute, may Allah reward them and allow us to benefit from them!

However the activities of graduates of the Islamic University of Madeenah should not let one look down on the activities of graduates of Umm al-Qurra. The reason I say this is that every year there are many graduates from the Islamic University of Madeenah, even from the West, yet we only see a handful of them active in giving da'wah in the West. I believe personally that this is because of what I said before: "regardless of the schools strengths and weaknesses, a student must make sure he or she is working on their own strengths and weaknesses since this is what will determine how much they learn and benefit from whichever school they attend in the end."

On the other hand, the lack of apparent da'wah activity from any student of knowledge is not an indication that they aren't doing any da'wah neccesarily. And as I mentioned before, Umm al-Qurra has mainly been a university aimed towards Saudi students not international students so this may be a cause for us to not be hearing about the wonderful Islamic studies program that Umm al-Qurra offers. Actually if you think about it, it is only due to a handful of top grade graduates from the Islamic University of Madeenah that we have become so familiar with it.

On another note, there is a third university in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia that you may want to consider and that is Al-Imaam Muhammad ibn Sa'ood Islamic University (http://www.imamu.edu.sa/). Like the other two universities, this university and the region it is located in has many prominent teachers and graduates in the past and present, such as Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-'Uthaymeen (rahimahullah) as well the newest AlMaghrib Instructor Shaykh Waleed al-Basyouni (hafidhahullah). The catch is that if you think applying to Umm al-Qurra and the Islamic University of Madeenah is difficult, wait until you see this university! Brothers are having a hard enough time even trying to find the application to apply and since it is in Riyaadh you cannot travel there on an 'Umrah/Hajj visa. In the past, the main way to get to this university was through IIASA (http://www.iiasa.org/), it's branch in America, but I am not sure about this anymore you may want to check up on it.

I am beginning to feel like I am rambling and I'm not sure if what I am saying will make sense to you so I will stop here. If you are confused about what I am trying to say please let me know and I will try to clarify insha' Allah. And Allah knows best.


As Salam Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,


JazakAllah for your help. If you are able to find another person who might be able to tell me more, you can also give them my e-mail address which is MahmoudSiddiqi@yahoo.com

I am 18 years old. The only thing preventing me from applying right now is that I don't have a high school diploma. I am currently in classes and I expect to be done within less than a year. I have so far simply assumed that I cannot apply without already completing it since it is required to send in with the application.

I did not know that I could apply to two universities at the same time. What happens if both universities accept me? I simply pick which one I want to attend or will they be notified that I applied and two and will pick for me?

Also is there any specific amount of time it takes to receive word back about being accepted/rejected? Does it usually take years or months or weeks?

When you say "certain contacts" might help me be accepted, who would this be? At this time, I only personally know one sheikh from Umm Al Qura and one brother from Al Islamic University fi Madinah.

I have heard of Al Imam University but would like to aim for Madinah or Makkah first, but it is always an option, insha'Allah. I think I might be putting too much emphasis on choosing a university because they all will teach me the same thing but probably in different ways.

Again, JazakAllah for all your help. If there is anything I can do for you, let me know. BarakAllah fik.

[Yusuf]

Wa 'Alaykum as-Salaam wa-Rahmatullahi wa-Barakatuhu,

I did not know that I could apply to two universities at the same time. What happens if both universities accept me? I simply pick which one I want to attend or will they be notified that I applied and two and will pick for me?
If both universities accepted you then you would just select which one you would attend.

Also is there any specific amount of time it takes to receive word back about being accepted/rejected? Does it usually take years or months or weeks?
From what I know if you apply within the time period they are accepting applications for the following year then usually if you are accepted you will hear about it a few months before school starts in September the following year. I believe this is usually the case but I may be wrong. Then if you do not hear anything at that time then you could consider applying for the next year.

When you say "certain contacts" might help me be accepted, who would this be? At this time, I only personally know one sheikh from Umm Al Qura and one brother from Al Islamic University fi Madinah.
Basically a person who the university will listen to if they say something along the lines of, "This is a good choice to select as a student." If possible ask the Shaykh you know from Umm al-Qurra to help out with both universities and ask the brother from the Islamic University of Madeenah to help you find someone for there. And Allah knows best.

[Abdul_Haqq]

Wa 'Alaykum as-Salaam wa-Rahmatullahi wa-Barakatuhu,


If both universities accepted you then you would just select which one you would attend.


From what I know if you apply within the time period they are accepting applications for the following year then usually if you are accepted you will hear about it a few months before school starts in September the following year. I believe this is usually the case but I may be wrong. Then if you do not hear anything at that time then you could consider applying for the next year.


Basically a person who the university will listen to if they say something along the lines of, "This is a good choice to select as a student." If possible ask the Shaykh you know from Umm al-Qurra to help out with both universities and ask the brother from the Islamic University of Madeenah to help you find someone for there. And Allah knows best.


BarakAllah fik. JazakAllahu khair.

[Ibn Khaleefah]

The Islamic University of Madeenah is open just before Hajj if you can make it there on time (up until like the 4th or Dhul-Hijjah or so). I made Hajj this past year and was able to go there and apply, but they weren't doing interviews.

On a related note, I bumped into Sh. Abdulbary while I was there. :D

[Abdul_Haqq]

As Salam Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,


What happens if while I'm studying there (assuming I get accepted and all, insha'Allah), I get married? Do they stop paying for the tuition, housing, food, etc.?

[Yusuf]

Wa 'Alaykum as-Salaam wa-Rahmatullahi wa-Barakatuhu,

In short, the University of Madeenah officially does not grant visas to the wives of students. However, some students manage to attain visas with their wives through asking the government. If your wife manages to get a visa, the University will still only give you a stipend and not her. Then you would have to spend that stipend on the living expenses, which honestly would not be enough for both you and her since it is just enough for one person.

For Umm al-Qurra it would be a different story. Your wife could try to apply there and get admission as a student and then she would receive a stipend.

And Allah knows best.

[Abdul_Haqq]

Wa 'Alaykum as-Salaam wa-Rahmatullahi wa-Barakatuhu,

In short, the University of Madeenah officially does not grant visas to the wives of students. However, some students manage to attain visas with their wives through asking the government. If your wife manages to get a visa, the University will still only give you a stipend and not her. Then you would have to spend that stipend on the living expenses, which honestly would not be enough for both you and her since it is just enough for one person.

For Umm al-Qurra it would be a different story. Your wife could try to apply there and get admission as a student and then she would receive a stipend.

And Allah knows best.

As Salam Alaikum,


JazakAllah khair for responding. What if I met my wife in Madeenah while studying? The university still would only pay me the same amount as if I was single, correct? And that wouldn't be enough to support both myself and her.

[Yusuf]

Wa 'Alaykum as-Salaam wa-Rahmatullahi wa-Barakatuhu,

Officially the university only supports the students that attend it. The last I heard the monthly stipend they give the students is like 840 riyals, which is around $225 a month or $2,700 a year. A married couple's annual living expenses there is $6,000-12,000 based on their lifestyle and if they have children and so on. Remember these are the official policies of the university and it may be possible you would find someone there who would help you. You could also try to think of other ways to make money so that you could support her. And Allah knows best.

[Abdul_Haqq]

Wa 'Alaykum as-Salaam wa-Rahmatullahi wa-Barakatuhu,

Officially the university only supports the students that attend it. The last I heard the monthly stipend they give the students is like 840 riyals, which is around $225 a month or $2,700 a year. A married couple's annual living expenses there is $6,000-12,000 based on their lifestyle and if they have children and so on. Remember these are the official policies of the university and it may be possible you would find someone there who would help you. You could also try to think of other ways to make money so that you could support her. And Allah knows best.


Barakallah fik,


JazakAllah khair for your help again. I do not have a wife right now, but I am just thinking of the future and expecting to be studying until I'm at least 30-35 years old, and that's way past the time I want to get married. Insha'Allah, everything will be clear and work out with the help of Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala).

wallahu alim.

[Abdul_Haqq]

As Salam Alaikum wa Rahmatullah,


I have been told that in order to study Qur'an in Makkah or Madinah, you must be a hafiz before they accept you. Is this true?

When I say "study the Qur'an", I don't mean becoming a hafiz, I mean gaining UNDERSTANDING of the Qur'an Al Karim.

[Abdul_Haqq]

As Salam Alaikum wa Rahmatullah,


I have been told that in order to study Qur'an in Makkah or Madinah, you must be a hafiz before they accept you. Is this true?

When I say "study the Qur'an", I don't mean becoming a hafiz, I mean gaining UNDERSTANDING of the Qur'an Al Karim.


Can anybody answer this?

[Shareefah]

Asalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmat Ullahi Wa Barakatuhu,

What i read off of this thread:

http://forums.almaghrib.org/showthread.php?t=16186&page=3&pp=10&highlight=madinah

Is that it would definitely increase the chances of you getting in, Wallahu Alem, if its for sure, just giving you what i read.

[AbdulHasib]

Can anybody answer this?Depends which university.

For both, you go through a Ma'had of 2 years - an Arabic institute. Where afterward they will ask you again formally which college you would want to attend.

The Qur'an schools do require hifdh, fa Allahu A'lam about Umm ul qurra, what my understanding is, is yes they do.

Also, they teach the qira'a as well as tafseer, lugha. You can look at their curriculum on the madinah website for a sample.

WAllahu A'lam

[Abdul_Haqq]

JazakAllah khair for both of your responses.