QMajd | Chain of Command *Mindblowing* GEMS *

[Sistamatic]

Did you sit through the Chain of Command class and something the shaykh said, rang a bell in your head?

or

did you come across a fact that made you ponder and reflect upon it's meaning?



Then share it with us please!



dont just regurgitate facts, but tell us how you benefited from it!.

[Ahmed Ibn Hassan]

Bismillaah,

something that stuck out for me (dont have the notebook in front of me..)

- Just pondering about the those (imaam Muslim/ Bukahri) those great Imaam who preserved the 'hadiths' in such a respectable and authentic manner. Also makes you wonder what can i do 'as a slave' of Allaah to be of those ranks. --> it all started with an 'idea' then they made it into something people benefited from (allaah put barakaah in their work).

... Got my book now. :D

- Dont get Ilm With the following..

1) Fear Allaah
2) Eating Halaal (doesn't mean eating halaal meat)
3) Intelligent (has to have a mature state of mind)
4) Eagerness to learn
5) In dire need of Knowledge
6) Actually (traveling for it)
7) Teacher (who can teach, rarely people teach themselves)
8) Time ( with subr iA time will be on your witness on the day of Judgment for 'you')

[Ahmed Ibn Hassan]

(close to the effect of)Ibn Taymiyaah: Every time I struggle in finding out an answer, or cant figure out something, I put my forehead (in sajood position) on the floor make Istigfaar 1000x). Just ponder about that how cautious these people were in their efforts in seeking knowledge (and how much they relied upon Allaah azwajaal).

- Imaam Bukahri (Muhammad Ibn Ismaeel Ibn Ibrahim) Never added a single hadiths without first making wudo + Istikhaar. Asking Allaah to help him. Now imagine making wudo + Istikhaar before every hadiths thats 2,602 times he did that..Allahu Akbar wallahi'l humd.

[*Iman*]

Bismillaah,

something that stuck out for me (dont have the notebook in front of me..)

- Just pondering about the those (imaam Muslim/ Bukahri) those great Imaam who preserved the 'hadiths' in such a respectable and authentic manner. Also makes you wonder what can i do 'as a slave' of Allaah to be of those ranks. --> it all started with an 'idea' then they made it into something people benefited from (allaah put barakaah in their work).

... Got my book now. :D

- Dont get Ilm With the following..

1) Fear Allaah
2) Eating Halaal (doesn't mean eating halaal meat)
3) Intelligent (has to have a mature state of mind)
4) Eagerness to learn
5) In dire need of Knowledge
6) Actually (traveling for it)
7) Teacher (who can teach, rarely people teach themselves)
8) Time ( with subr iA time will be on your witness on the day of Judgment for 'you')i think you meant "dont get ilm without the following"

[Ahmed Ibn Hassan]

jazakallaah kahir.. lol
wow...

kahir-insha'allah

- Only 10% of Hadiths Qudsi are "Mutawaatir (no doubt).. but the quraan is 100%.

[Ahmed Ibn Hassan]

Bismillaah

The hadiths regarding you should love an Arab because of these for 3 reasons:
1) Muhammad Sallahu alayhi wasalaam is an Arab
2) The language of Al- Jannah is Arabi
3) The language of Al Quran is Arabic

Verdict= Fabricated hadith.

Ya Majd post your gems... i forgot to mention this to Umer to tell ppl to post gems on the forums. Why you ask? People benefit a lot from these Gems, for example people who didn't take this class read up on this a lot, people who are about to take this class read up on this, and most defiantly it will remind us all of the cool gems we learned... Lets turn it up Majd.

Salaam
Ahmed

[Ahmed Ibn Hassan]

One of the ways you can detect if this a fabricated or not is by just looking at the isnad (chain of narrators) and see if the narrator met any of the people he's reporting from?

[Asmaa Abdul Hameed]

How long would it take to know all of the people in the chain of narration so that we can differentiaite weak/fabricated/strong..?

[Ahmed Ibn Hassan]

Ex. Hibban Jawayn said " I and Ali have worshiped Allaah 6 years prior to this Ummaah". This is what he said, now one can easily detect this hadiths to be false on many different levels but a simpler way is what age did Ali (ra) accept Islaam 9 yrs old, - 6yr from prior to Islaam then if this hadith were to be 'correct' clearly is wrong on all levels Ali (ra) would've been 3 yrs old accepting Islam and worshiping him.

[Asmaa Abdul Hameed]

Oh, nice. So knowing the narrators isn't enough. One should also have a sound knowledge of Islamic history.


JazaakAllaah.. keep posting the gems, I will note them down in my diary and share with others.

[Ahmed Ibn Hassan]

How long would it take to know all of the people in the chain of narration so that we can differentiate weak/fabricated/strong..?

Differentiating weather hadiths are strong/ hassan/ d'aief/ fabricated that was mostly done by our past scholars of Islaam. But it's up to us to search and have the heart to for care of our actions and self correct. It's really not knowing 'how' much hadiths you know or not but if your not practicing it in your life then 'thats no good use to you, then you just ceased the point in knowing the hadiths'.

Knowing the narrators is just not 'knowing' by name there's a whole grocery list of things one must know about the 'narrator' him self to be able to detect if this person is creditable or not.

[Asmaa Abdul Hameed]

^Your previous post actually answered the question

Yes, jazakAllaah for the reminder.

And I wasn't talking about knowing them by name alone, because it wouldn't do much good.. Does it take a lot of time to study the narrators in general?

[Ahmed Ibn Hassan]

^^ I thought you said how did we come to know if this was a strong/good/weak hadiths... kahir insha'allah

About studying the narrators, I think it highly depends on the person. Like i said in the previous post their a whole bunch of things you must take into account before declaring the narrator a 'trustworthy' or a 'lair'. So yes it takes a while because some narrations the Isnad can be long/ some can be short nevertheless the muhaditheen's from the past (scholars may Allaah reward them all) did most of the job in gathering up all that info for us.

[Asmaa Abdul Hameed]

JazakAllah brother, that is what I was looking for, not starting from the scratchm but studying from those who gathered and compiled it one place already.

[emarouf]

c'mon ya ahlul Majd post the Gems for those of us missing this amazing class !


and also so that people who could attend but did not can regret not taking it ;)


p.s: Looks like only br. Ahmed took this class? where is everyone else

[aminah.]

About studying the narrators, I think it highly depends on the person. Like i said in the previous post their a whole bunch of things you must take into account before declaring the narrator a 'trustworthy' or a 'lair'. He also mentioned that if there was a Khawarij in the isnad, then it would automatically be deemed hasan (or saheeh?) if the man was known to be religious because Khawarijis take lying very seriously and believe that it is an act that will never be forgiven by Allah.

wa Allahu a'lam.

[AkheeAB]

...ma sha Allaah. this is a very informative thread. I hope that we all benefit from it, and also use it as a means to review what we have learned thus far. in sha Allaah, I will leave behind one of the many benefcial rules that we all learned in this wonderful class by a very brilliant insturctor, may Allaah perserve him. Finally, people that are shy (to learn) and have arrogance/pride will not succed/learn. baraka ALlaahu feekum.

[bint_habibullah]

More gems, please, Majd. Br Ahmad is right, people love reading the gems threads, and look forward to them.

[Osob Mohamud]

Asalamu Aleykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatu


I third that. I enjoy reading gems. QMajd why are you sleeping? I know you all post tons of gems Insha Allah.

[Uzair Khan]

He also mentioned that if there was a Khawarij in the isnad, then it would automatically be deemed hasan (or saheeh?) if the man was known to be religious because Khawarijis take lying very seriously and believe that it is an act that will never be forgiven by Allah.

wa Allahu a'lam.I also found this really interesting....to think that having a deviant sect in the chain would actually strengthen the isnad!

[*Sista_S*]

Because to them lying was a major sin such that if you lie its as if you have commited an act of Kufr, Subxannallah.

And I guess the scholars of hadeeth felt as if they'r are reliable sources when narrating from them, or when they are in the in the isnad, and Allah swt. knows the best...

[*Sista_S*]

Who made Mahamed Ibn Isma'eel Bin Ibrahim Ibn Barza Ibn Bukhari write Jami' Sahih Al Musnad Al Mukhtasar min Hadith Rasul Allah wa sunanihi wa Ayyamih? Which by the way is known as Sahih Bukhari today.

It was an idea from his Shiekh and teacher Ishaaq bin Rawahayah who said "I wish if one of you could compile the Hadeeth of the Prophet sallahu Alayhim wasalam". As well as he had a dream of the Prophet sallahu 'alayhim wasalam and there were flies over his head. Thus, he told his shiekh about it and realized that its his job to sort out the good hadeeths from the fabricated one's.

[*Sista_S*]

Imam Bukhari travelled 16 years and collected almost 600,000 Hadeeths. Subxannallah, now that is just gift from Allah swt. But he only selected 9082 Hadeeths in his book, but imagine how many volumes it could have being had he rahimullah compiled all of them in books. Maybe a whole library for just Bukhari's books :)

[*Sista_S*]

Imam Bukhari would only narrate from the first Dabaqa or individuals. But Imam Muslim would narrate from not only the first Dabaqa as well as second and third Dabaqa's.

[*Sista_S*]

Every hadeeth is Khabar, but not every Khabar is hadeeth.

Khabar is what comes from others concerning the Prophet sallahu 'alayhim wasalam.

[*Sista_S*]

Hadeeth Qudsi is Allah swt. statement given to the Prophet sallahu 'alayhim wasalam to deliver whichever way he scws wants. Therefore, it is not a Quran nor do we read during the prayer and can be classified hassan & sahih.

[*Sista_S*]

Sheikh Al-AlBani is a Muhadeth in our age and time because he use to be familiar about the people of the chain of narrators and knew details about them.

Imagine not only memorizing about the hadeeths of Rasululah sallalahu 'alayhim wasalam but also knowing the lives of the narrators in those chains.

[*Sista_S*]

"Hadeeth that was not known to Ibn Taymiyyah then it is not a Hadeeth"

Imam Ad-Dhahabi

This just shows that Imam Taymiyyah was one of those few who had the hightest degree of learning when it comes to Hadeeths of Rasululah sallalahu 'alayhim wasalam.

[*Sista_S*]

Some of the reasons that people fabricated hadeeth's was because :
1. Kufr - there were individuals that hated Islam and would try to make-up hadeeths just to destroy this beautiful religion that Allah swt send. Subxannallah
2. Racial and tribalism - saying such as "Arab's are more supperior over others"
3. Madaahil (Love for the Madh-habs. Imagine if we had that love for the Prophet sallalahu A'alayhim wasalam and the Ummah as a whole)
4. Business folks in order to sell their products
5. Professional Story tellers and preachers would fabricate a hadeeth in order to gain popularity.

[*Sista_S*]

The Prophet sallahu 'alayhim wasalam was very clear in his speech and would repeat his statements till all the companions understood exact what he scws mented.

[*Sista_S*]

The Scholars of hadeeth have put conditions on who can deliver a hadeeth to others and teach them. Such a person has to be a muslim, mature, has good character/aadil (never commited any major sins), sharp memory and able to attain the knowledge in order to convey to others.

[emarouf]

Imam Bukhari would only narrate from the first Dabaqa or individuals. But Imam Muslim would narrate from not only the first Dabaqa as well as second and third Dabaqa's.

Can somebody explain what this statement means? Does it mean Imam Bukhari narrated only from the first person in the chain and imam Muslim would use the first 3 narrators from the chain?

SubhanaAllah these gems are AMAZING!! You learn so much without actually being there!

[hafsah.]

Can somebody explain what this statement means? Does it mean Imam Bukhari narrated only from the first person in the chain and imam Muslim would use the first 3 narrators from the chain?

SubhanaAllah these gems are AMAZING!! You learn so much without actually being there!It means like Imam Bukhari was a little more strict when it came to hadiths, meaning he wouldn't really take a hadith that had a long chain of narrators. When Imam Muslim came after him, he was a little more laid-back. He'd only received hadiths from the 1st narrator to the third. Also, if they heard one fabricated hadith that they knew was fabricated, they wrote down the name of that narrator and they would never trust their hadiths.

[Ahmed Ibn Hassan]

Honestly i dont know about you guys, during this class they say if you dont follow up your notes / study for exam you only retain 10% of what you learned... but allahu akbar this class you retain a lot more then 10% ... I dont know what it is... Sh. Saed ROCKS!

[hafsah.]

I think its his teaching styles. Every time he gives us information, he'll give a background story. It helps you retain what the hadith was pertaining too. I agree with you Brother Ahmed. SHAYKH SAED ROCKS!

[Ahmed Ibn Hassan]

Getting out my notebook... reviewing as i do it.

Awal -

Some of the Companions (ra) had different views regarding the documentation of the sayings of the prophet SAW. Some of the companions has their won 'sahifa' (booklet) , one of the best known collection of the hadeeth during the lifetime of Rasoolullaah (saw) was Al-Sahifa al Sadiqa (the true collection) by Abd Allaah bin al As.

[Ahmed Ibn Hassan]

With the General Ummah expanding it's territories it was 'Umar bin Abdul Aziz' who took up the issue to collect and document the Sunnah. He assigned the task to the Governor of Medina of that time Abu Bakr Muhammad bin Hazm (d 117H)

Side note: Major works on the documentation of the Sunnah took place in the second and third century and included books like "Al Muwatta" of Imaam Malik.

[Ahmed Ibn Hassan]

During different stages of the development in compilation of the Hadeeths are classified under 10 classifications:

(quickly mentioning all of them, including one side note).

1. The Sahifa (lit. Booklet)

- Personal booklet of writing without any classification, Lifetime of the prophet SAW till the 2nd Century.

2. The Musannaf (classified)

- Basically major collections went under way in the middle of the second century.

3. The Musnad (the supported)

- This is when a lot attention was paid to the Isnad (chain of narration). Basically it was categorized by each companion that narrated hadeeths on diff topics. Remember this stage is considered the richest of all and began in the later half of the second century. Obviously including the musnad of Imaam Ahmed (had 40,000 h).

4. The Sahih (authentic)

- This was the later part of the development of the hadeeths lit. (i.e. Imaam Bukhari/Muslim). NO WEAK HADEEHS.

5. The Sunan Collections - (specialized/legal hadeeths).

- Abu dawud aka Suliman Ibn Ashad - focused on majorly Halal/wa Haraam.
- Ibn Maja aka Abu abdurahman ibn yaze'd ibn Maja)
- Al Nasai aka Ahmed Ibn Shuayb - some even say he was stricter then both imaam b/m.

6. The Jami Collections

- This had many diff topics i'll give you a quick run down.
* History & Bio of prophet Muhammad (saw)
* Quran & Tafseer
* Social Etiquette
* Moral Teachings
* Legal Rules
ect...

Within it: At-Tirmidhi ( i came late in for this..)

7. Al Mujmu'a (collection of books)

- They classified things in diff matters of islam.

8. Al Mustadrak (discovered detected)

- these compilers basically supplemented previous works..

9. Al Mustakhrai

- Later compilers collected fresh isnad for the same hadeeth compiled in previous works.

10. Al Juz (basically a section by a single (1) narrator).

they used different principles as guides for their selections...

That's just a rough run-down... This is what our scholars of Hadeeths went through. They had to strive to preserve the triditions of Rasoolullaah sallahu alayhi wasaalam... with convictions/ and hub'a (love).

Ahmed

[Ahmed Ibn Hassan]

just to wrap for the night for me...

not every hadeeths contains a Sunnah :)

[emarouf]

It means like Imam Bukhari was a little more strict when it came to hadiths, meaning he wouldn't really take a hadith that had a long chain of narrators. When Imam Muslim came after him, he was a little more laid-back. He'd only received hadiths from the 1st narrator to the third. Also, if they heard one fabricated hadith that they knew was fabricated, they wrote down the name of that narrator and they would never trust their hadiths.Got it! Jazakillah Khayr sister

[hafsah.]

Sadly, today is the last day of Chain of Command.. :( OMG! ITS 9:00! I am so gonna be late!

[SammoKK]

Bismillaah

The hadiths regarding you should love an Arab because of these for 3 reasons:
1) Muhammad Sallahu alayhi wasalaam is an Arab
2) The language of Al- Jannah is Arabi
3) The language of Al Quran is Arabic

Verdict= Fabricated hadith.

Ya Majd post your gems... i forgot to mention this to Umer to tell ppl to post gems on the forums. Why you ask? People benefit a lot from these Gems, for example people who didn't take this class read up on this a lot, people who are about to take this class read up on this, and most defiantly it will remind us all of the cool gems we learned... Lets turn it up Majd.

Salaam
Ahmed
Salaam Brother, can you emphasize on that a little more? So the understanding that Arabic is the language of Jannah is not true?

Jazak Allah! :)

[Mariyam]

Masha'Allah, great gems!

[Mariyam]

Who made Mahamed Ibn Isma'eel Bin Ibrahim Ibn Barza Ibn Bukhari write Jami' Sahih Al Musnad Al Mukhtasar min Hadith Rasul Allah wa sunanihi wa Ayyamih? Which by the way is known as Sahih Bukhari today.

It was an idea from his Shiekh and teacher Ishaaq bin Rawahayah who said "I wish if one of you could compile the Hadeeth of the Prophet sallahu Alayhim wasalam". As well as he had a dream of the Prophet sallahu 'alayhim wasalam and there were flies over his head. Thus, he told his shiekh about it and realized that its his job to sort out the good hadeeths from the fabricated one's.Because the Shaykh suggested the idea to Imam Al Bukhari he will get the same reward as Al Bukhari.

This is supported by the following hadeeth...

Abu Huraira (RA) narrated that the Rasul (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said:
“Whoever guides anyone to goodness, his reward shall be the same as those who follow his guidance without lessening a bit of their reward. And whoever guides anyone astray, his sin shall be the same as the sin of the person who follows him without lessening a single bit of their sin.”
(Sahih Muslim)

[*Sista_S*]

Can somebody explain what this statement means? Does it mean Imam Bukhari narrated only from the first person in the chain and imam Muslim would use the first 3 narrators from the chain?
Salaamu 'alaykum all,
Brother Emarouf and sister Hafsa,

Dabaqa or levels of individuals is more like for instance if a Sheikh had alot of students, and if one of his student's travels with him all the time, then that students would be considered the first Dabaqa. The other students that don't travel with the Shiekh but are yet his regular students would be considered 'second dabaqa' and so forth. Therefore, Imam Bukhari rahimulah would only narrate from individuals that have spent so much time with the Shiekh and have learned alot from him just being with the shiekh all the time.

Where as Imam Muslim would narrate sometimes from not only the first dabaqa but also the second and third dabaqa's if they have heard from their Shiekh.

[*Sista_S*]

By the way, dabaqa's or levels, think of it like a stairways.:) The hadeeths of Prophet scws. were reported by the Companions (may Allah swt. be pleased with all of them) thus making them the first dabaqa's even if one hadeeth was reported by alot of companions. Then the Tabi'uuns would be second Dabaqa's and then Tabi'tabi'uuns would be considered third dabaqa and so forth...

someone please correct me if i'm wrong.

[*Sista_S*]

Signs of Forgery Ahadeeth - The scholars use to look at the text of the hadeeth and make sure the language or the style of the hadeeth resembled that of the speech of the Prophet s.c.w.s. or wether it had a crude speech thus determining that it had sign of forgery.

[*Sista_S*]

Forgery in text of the hadeeth can also happend when a hadeeth mentions that the Prophet s.c.w.s has seen/used something when throughtout history we know such a thing or place did not exist yet.

[*Sista_S*]

Signs of Forgery of the text can also be determined when the hadeeth clearly goes opposite of the Quran. One clearly knows that the Quran and the Sunnah go hand to hand and not the opposite of one another.

[*Sista_S*]

The Scholars of hadeeth mentioned that you should not use a weak hadeeth, nor mention it regarless of the context. However, if you do use a weak hadeeth for the purpose of arguements sake in a book and etc., and such a hadeeth is the only kind that exist, then make sure you state that it is a weak hadeeth.

[*Sista_S*]

The Companions (may Allah be pleased with them all) use to make sure the hadeeths of Rasululah s.c.w.s were correct and would go to the extent to verify it with one another.

Abu Hurairah radiyallahu 'anhu would tell the people a hadeeth of Rasululah s.c.w.s. and Umar Bin Khattab radiyallahu 'anhu would say bring a prove. And thus, Aisha radiyallahu 'anhaa would come and verify it that she as well has also heard from the Prophet sallalahu 'alayhim wasalam. :)

[Generous_1]

Bukhari's full name is Muhamad ibn Ismail ibn Ibrahim Al Bardasbah(sp?) Al Bukharee. He compiled his saheeh in 16 years, interviewed over 1000 transmitters in hadith collected about 600,000 but he only selected 9082 ahadeeth.

[Generous_1]

Eg. of Saheeh Hadeeth.

qala ahmad ibn hambal hadathana rawhun, qala hadathana hammaad ibn salamah, 'an jabalata ibn 'atiyah, 'an ibn mihairis, 'an muawiyah 'ani an-nabiy salaallaahu 3laihi wasalaam, qaala itha araadallahu aza wal jal 'abdan khairan yuafighu fi deen.

matn (the actual wording used by the messenger) is in italics, the rest of the hadith is called isnaad (chain of narrators).

[Generous_1]

Who ever cheats us is not one of us (from the 2nd ruling on tadlis, that tadlis is considering as cheating by some of the ulama)

[Generous_1]

Bukhari "I never did ghiba from the time I realized it was haram" (impugnation of men is not considered ghiba since its purifying religion)

[Generous_1]

When it comes to narration people of Madinah are given precedence in reliability over others.

[Generous_1]

Imam Bukhari travelled 16 years and collected almost 600,000 Hadeeths. Subxannallah, now that is just gift from Allah swt. But he only selected 9082 Hadeeths in his book, but imagine how many volumes it could have being had he rahimullah compiled all of them in books. Maybe a whole library for just Bukhari's books :)Haven't noticed this gem was already posted Masha Allah ilwaad.

[Generous_1]

Abda'u bi hamdi llahi musaliyan
'ala muhammadin khaira nabiyin ursilaa...:)

[hafsah.]

Salaam Brother, can you emphasize on that a little more? So the understanding that Arabic is the language of Jannah is not true?

Jazak Allah! :)The thing that is fabricated is how they made a hadith saying you should love arabs because of those reasons. But the truth is that in Jannah (inshallah), we will be speaking arabic, or thats what he said.
* Shaykh Saed told us a fabricated hadith in which they said,
"If you make fun of Arabs, you make fun of Islam..."
*That hadith is FABRICATED
*To judge whether a hadith is fabricated, scholars would....
*See the name of the narrator
*How long the chain is
*If the narrators have a strong memory
*If they are a righteous people
*They would automatically accept hadiths from women
*One name is the chain can make or break the hadith's trust
*They wouldn't accept hadiths pertaining to the deen from Kafirs
*Some Shia'as believe that on Yawmul Qiyama, Ali will be the judge (Authu billahi min thalik)
*If a narrator from a chain is of old age, they may not accept his hadiths but if he told the hadith in his youth, they would accept it
*Some poeple may skip some sahaba so they can higher the standards of the hadith
*If the scholars found out, they may not accept the hadith because they may have skipped a tabi'ee that wasn't allowed to narrate

His story was hilarious about how they worshipped that Shaykh! "I didn't breathe for 8 seconds...." LOL!

[Ahmed Ibn Hassan]

oh.. Masha'allaah these GEMS are amazing!

[hafsah.]

Whats with the silence Majdies? How come noones talking?

[Aisha Bint Mohamed]

I learnt that when you put two da'if hadith together they make hassan li-ghaire, and that hadith narrators went through alot of means to make sure students of knowledge didn't join the isnad out of being popular and shaykh saed gave the example of sheikh Al-a3mash who had a dog which chased away the people who came to him to learn hadith and join the isnad :)


"If Allah is with you, whom do you have to fear? if Allah is against you, what hope do you have?"

~He Who Kneels To Allah Can Stand Up to Anything~

[*Sista_S*]

"You are the hostage of your Sins"

[*Sista_S*]

How far would you go to get the hadeeth of the Prophet sallalahu alayhim wasalam???

Imam Ahmed Bin Hanbal use to ask the caravans if he could work for them(wash their dishes, and clean their stuff) so that they would take him to his destination. Sometimes the Imam would get lost in the desert. Imagine walking in a desert thats hot for days and weeks?

[*Sista_S*]

Marfu' hadeeth(Elevated)

A statement by the companions that have being elevated to and attributed to the Prophet sallalahu alayhim wasalam as if they have heard from him. And such a Hadeeth is known as Marfu' hadeeths.

[*Sista_S*]

"There is no book that is perfect except the book of Allah swt"
Imam Shafi'i

Everytime he gives one of his students Ijaaza of his book, he would find a mistake in his own book. And thus, came to realize that the only book that would ever be perfect is the Quran.

[*Sista_S*]

Mashhur Hadeeths are famous hadeeths that everyone knows about it.(Example is the hadeeth of Divorce). But they do not mean they are Sahih depending on the category of the narrators, and can be be Hassan or Daeef.

[*Sista_S*]

Once Imam Ahmed was asked who are the safe sect? And the Imam replied "if they are not Ahlul Hadeeth then I don't know who it is"

[hafsah.]

These gems are really helpful when preparing for the exam! JAZAKULLAH!

[emarouf]

Thats it!! Are these the only gems Majd could come out with from such an Amazing class!????

JazakAllah Khairan to all that posted the gems...

[hafsah.]

I think everyone is studying for the exam, maybe thats why the gems arent flying thru here...
We do have a lot of gems though, Jazakullah Khayr to all who posted!
give your brothers and sisters 70 excuses!

[tahashamim]

Al-Salaam-u-Alaikum (sister) hafsah,

I think the post by our beloved sister (I am assuming the person who posted is a sister)hafsah needs a correction.

Brother Saed did not say that narrations from women will automatically gets accepted in his seminar.

What he said was that all women narrators have been strong (so far). The concept is that after examining the women narrators, they were all found to be accepted. This is different then understanding of qualifying them automatically.

Inshallah if I remembered incorrectly, then please correct me.

Jazakallah Khair,

W'salaamualaikum,
ur brother in Islaam,
Abu Sumaiyyah Taha.


The thing that is fabricated is how they made a hadith saying you should love arabs because of those reasons. But the truth is that in Jannah (inshallah), we will be speaking arabic, or thats what he said.
* Shaykh Saed told us a fabricated hadith in which they said,
"If you make fun of Arabs, you make fun of Islam..."
*That hadith is FABRICATED
*To judge whether a hadith is fabricated, scholars would....
*See the name of the narrator
*How long the chain is
*If the narrators have a strong memory
*If they are a righteous people
*They would automatically accept hadiths from women
*One name is the chain can make or break the hadith's trust
*They wouldn't accept hadiths pertaining to the deen from Kafirs
*Some Shia'as believe that on Yawmul Qiyama, Ali will be the judge (Authu billahi min thalik)
*If a narrator from a chain is of old age, they may not accept his hadiths but if he told the hadith in his youth, they would accept it
*Some poeple may skip some sahaba so they can higher the standards of the hadith
*If the scholars found out, they may not accept the hadith because they may have skipped a tabi'ee that wasn't allowed to narrate

His story was hilarious about how they worshipped that Shaykh! "I didn't breathe for 8 seconds...." LOL!

[tahashamim]

Al-Salaam-u-Alaikum,

It is not very clear from this post. It would be good to go over this with Br Saed or someone who knows this science -

If I am not wrong, then Ilwaad is trying to say that Imam Bukhari had a condition that the two narrators should have met personally, while Imam Muslim did not keep this restriction as long as they lived in the same time frame in other words the assumption by Imam Muslim is that they must have met and hence no proof is required...

Any thoughts!

w'salamualaikum,
ur brother in islaam,
abu sumaiyyah taha


Imam Bukhari would only narrate from the first Dabaqa or individuals. But Imam Muslim would narrate from not only the first Dabaqa as well as second and third Dabaqa's.

[tahashamim]

Al-Salaam-u-Alaikum,

Meeting a narrator is not an absolute condition. The narrator may have found a script or a book of his sheikh - such as in the case of Imam Ahmed where he found from his father (after his father had passed away). However, I am not sure if such cases were discussed in the seminar.

In such conditions, certain criterias have to be met - it would be better to find out more detail from Br. Saed or someone else inshallah.

Please let me know if I am wrong. Kindly take it as a discussion only.

w'salamualaikum,
your brother in islaam,
abu sumaiyyah taha shamim


One of the ways you can detect if this a fabricated or not is by just looking at the isnad (chain of narrators) and see if the narrator met any of the people he's reporting from?