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hassanm
08-18-2009, 12:29 PM
Assalam-o-Alaikum.

I was trying to find the procedure of Kosher slaughtering, and whatever results I got from google, did not mention the requirement/practice of jews to do tasmiya (in any language). One brother mentioned to me, that a rabbi goes in morning and blesses all animals and leave. Even that I could not find if it was done.

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It is not true that kosher food must be blessed by a rabbi. This is a myth.
So can anyone find different results than this? Thanks.

Hassan

muhsinmuttaqi
08-18-2009, 04:35 PM
Assalamu Alaykum wa Rahmatullahee wa Barakatu

Al Qur'an tells us that the meat of the Nasara and the Yahood are permissible for Muslims to eat. This is a universal rule, because it is from Qur'an which is timeless.

hassanm
08-18-2009, 05:56 PM
Assalamu Alaykum wa Rahmatullahee wa Barakatu

Al Qur'an tells us that the meat of the Nasara and the Yahood are permissible for Muslims to eat. This is a universal rule, because it is from Qur'an which is timeless.

I am not sure if you have taken the class. Considering if someone is of the opinion (like Sheikh Yasir Qadhi hafidaullah) that tasmiya is mandatory, then does this kosher process fulfills the criteria?

bint_habibullah
08-19-2009, 05:42 PM
I believe the shaykh told us (in Durbah) that he asked rabbis about it, and said that it is true, that they do have to be there. They're more strict than us, and emphasized many times that it is permissible to eat the Kosher meat of the Jews and Christians. He said it many, many, many times in our class, and yet people still sent up the question after he would emphasize it. I hope that by telling you this your heart can be put at ease. :)

Wikipedia can always be changed, hence it's not always a reliable source to be used when getting info on certain topics, esp. from religion. It would be better to ask a rabbi in person. How would we feel when people learn about Islam just by what they've read on the Internet (which could be true or false).

Wallahu 'alam.

Abu Ammaar
08-23-2009, 02:18 PM
Salam Alaikum

This is a very valid point, and I encourage students to always challenge, politely of course, what they have been taught.

I have not witnessed such slaughters; however from my research, and from asking trained Jews in the field, they have mentioned that they, as a custom, always begin a process of slaughtering by mentioning the name of God. They do not necessarily say the tasmiya the way we do - and I never said that was a requirement.

One source writes, "In Shechita [= dhabiha], a blessing to God is recited before beginning an uninterrupted period of slaughtering; as long as the Shochet [= Jewish butcher] does not have a lengthy pause, interrupt, or otherwise lose concentration, this blessing covers all the animals slaughtered that period."

And Allah knows best.

Yasir

Mariam 3:36
08-23-2009, 04:42 PM
As-salaamu 'alaykum wa rahmat Allah,

I have not taken the class either, and this is somewhat of a tangential point, but I was told by someone that it is possible for a Rabbi to render derivatives of a pig kosher--I think she said use of pig bones, but I can't remember exactly, so Allahu a'alem. Does anyone know if that is in fact true?

If it is true, I assume it would not impact the permissibility of eating kosher meats, but it may impact purchases of other goods labeled as kosher, waAllahu a'alem.

muhsinmuttaqi
08-24-2009, 02:59 AM
Assalamu Alaykum

Remember, the Jewish Nation is divided into 71 sects. I think that there are sects that have lax rules. There many Reformist and Modernist Jews who do not follow the strict rules of Conservative and Orthodox Jewry.

Um Tammer
08-24-2009, 03:10 PM
I am confused. It is permissable to eat kosher although they do not say the name of God for each individual slaughter? That seems to contridict my understanding during class. Clarification, please?

bint_habibullah
08-24-2009, 04:30 PM
I am confused. It is permissable to eat kosher although they do not say the name of God for each individual slaughter? That seems to contridict my understanding during class. Clarification, please?Yes, it is permissible to eat kosher meat, and if you read what the shaykh said 2 posts above: They do not necessarily say the tasmiya the way we do - and I never said that was a requirement. I hope that helps in sha Allah. :)

This is a sidepoint that I have learned to help me remember the "kosher rules"

If it's meat, then eat!
If it's not then read the label. :)

(couldn't get it to rhyme but khayr in sha Allah).

*SabrunJameel*
08-24-2009, 10:39 PM
Assalaamu Alaykum wa rahmatullah,

I know that the quran says that Allah SWT has made lawful to us the meat of the Jews and christians, and I heard that it is because they slaughter their animals in the name of God. I seem to understand that the Jews are pretty serious about their slaughtering rituals, and they label their food kosher just like we Muslims would Halaal. But What I don't understand, is the fact that people would eat meat from everywhere and anywhere and say that its ahlul kitaab and that therefore it is halaal. But how could these people in fact know, that lets say the chicken strips they had at Mcdonals or anywhere else, was slaughtered by a Jew or christian that blessed it in the name of their God? Im really confused cause im pretty sure that all these companies do not have a rabi or somekind of priest there, and as far as I know most of these companies even slaughter their animals with machines. I would really appriciate if anybody could clear things out .
Barakallahu feekum,
wassalaamu alaykum

achiiarablarki
08-31-2009, 01:36 AM
in reference to the meat at mc donalds: ^ i am sure that there is a golden rule, that when in doubt, its best to avoid (generalization: in a polite manner of course)

The shaikh also mentioned in class the techniques used to slaughter large animals and smaller like the poor lil chickens being slaughter at over 1000 a minute :( . The animals in mass slaughter houses are slaughtered by machines and the discussion on how they "prepare" the animals to be unconcsious long enough to hang them up on the machine, really opened my eyes to the whole issue.
Larger animals like the cows get shocked with an electric rod/bullet of some sort that goes through the head. A large/good percentage of those do die before the time of slaughtering. The chickens get put in water that has a low voltage of electric current that stuns them. But a MUCH smaller percentage die, if they do at all. Many find the case against eating beef at what's considered non-zabiha places more convincing to avoid. <--- and thats a small tidbit of what was discussed- but enlightening none-the-less.


but to elaborate the point on meat being kosher: Alhamdulillah the shaikh stressed it as well, in the hosna class, that kosher meat is okay and permissible to eat.

so when it comes down to it... maybe we shouldn't eat that mcdonalds hamburger unless it had a nice big K or HALAL symbol on it--- just elaborating on the discussion

Um Tammer
09-03-2009, 02:10 PM
Yes, it is permissible to eat kosher meat, and if you read what the shaykh said 2 posts above: I hope that helps in sha Allah. :)

This is a sidepoint that I have learned to help me remember the "kosher rules"

If it's meat, then eat!
If it's not then read the label. :)

(couldn't get it to rhyme but khayr in sha Allah).
You are right b/c they (jews) are allowed to use alcohol in their food.
As far as they basmillah, i thought thought the teacher said
he believed bismillah should be said before each slaughter, which
would make kosher meat "not halal" in this understanding.