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taimur
02-28-2005, 03:40 PM
asalaamwalaikum,
i dont know whether to post this in the Fiqh ad Dawah section or this one..
this brother in my school i see him and he his not doing his wudhu correctly wtih all the required acts..this brother is kind arrogant in seeking knowledge and when someone tells him something he just denies it..

so how do i help him and show him the correct way to do wudhu?
ws

mostafa
02-28-2005, 04:48 PM
Asalaamu `alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu,

The issue is an issue of Da`wah more than anything else. If I understand you correctly, no matter what you would advise him on, he would take the same attitute/approach, wAllahu a`lam. I suggest you post the question there inshaa' Allah.

One idea could be to ask the brother to watch you make wudu'. Tell him you just took a class, and would like to ask him if he could watch you to see if you are making wudu' properly. And Allah knows best.

taimur
02-28-2005, 06:00 PM
ok jazakhallah Mostafa for your answer..shoudl i just repost this or can you just move this thread??

mostafa
02-28-2005, 06:22 PM
Asalaamu `alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu,

I'll move it inshaa' Allah (then I'll delete this response) :)

'Awn al-Ma'bood
03-02-2005, 09:13 PM
Wa 'alaykum as salaam wa Rahmatullaahi wa Barakaatuhu

You mentioned 'this brother.' Is this brother your friend? Friend or not perhaps befriend him.

The Prophet sal Allaahu 'alayhi wa sallam said, "Exchange gifts, you will love one another.” - Saheeh al-Bukhaaree in al-Adab al-Mufrad

First suggestion is to buy the brother a set of books or tapes with different topics, and purchase a book or tape related to the Fiqh of Ablution and present it as a gift to the brother with the other books / tapes. In shaa Allaah, you will build the ties of brotherhood by giving him the gift. As well, it will open the doors for communication and you can ask him each time if he got to read the gifts you gave to him.

Second suggestion, read the story of al-Hassan and al-Hussayn and how they taught the old man how to do wudhu. Jot down points you can benefit from in order to teach this brother how to perform Wudhu correctly. *Also, if anyone has the authenticity of the above narrative please share it. BaarakAllaahu Feekum.

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Wallaahu 'Alam

- 'Awn al-Ma'bood

AbuIlyaas
03-02-2005, 10:01 PM
*Also, if anyone has the authenticity of the above narrative please share it.Yeah, I thought about posting it earlier but the authenticity question was scratching at my head. I seemed to remember Sh. Muhammad Syed al-Adly mentioned that there was a question of the story's authenticity when he related it on a visit to London; he made the point that there was still lessons of the adaab of correction that could be derived even if it wasn't authentic.

In case anyone is unaware of the story, it goes like this:

"An old man sat to do his wudhu. But his wudhu was not correct. Hasan and Hussain the grandsons of the Prophet (S.A.W.), then two young boys, watched him. They immediately realized that the old man was not doing his wudhu correctly, but hesitated to tell him directly. Perhaps the old man would feel humiliated by two young boys, or he might even lose interest in the act of worship.

Sitting next to him, they started to do the wudhu and during the wudhu, Hasan said: "Oh Hussain my wudhu is correct and more perfect than yours."

In reply, Hussain insisted that his own wudhu was better than Hasan's.

Finally they said: "Let us refer to this gentleman. He is older than us and should be able to decide."

The old man was listening patiently. The boys performed their wudhu under his supervision, one after the other. And when they had finished, he realized the wudhu done by the boys was methodical and correct. It was his own wudhu which was incorrect. Turning to Hasan and Hussain, he gently said: "The wudhu done by you is correct. I am grateful that you chose to guide me in such a beautiful manner."

alexandalus
03-02-2005, 11:38 PM
asalaamwalaikum,
i dont know whether to post this in the Fiqh ad Dawah section or this one..
this brother in my school i see him and he his not doing his wudhu correctly wtih all the required acts..this brother is kind arrogant in seeking knowledge and when someone tells him something he just denies it..

so how do i help him and show him the correct way to do wudhu?
ws
Salaam 'Alaikum Sidi Taimur,
A small question that is almost certainly going to be answered in the affirmative, but just in case: without in any way challenging your knowledge oin this subject, have you made sure that the brother is indeed incorrect in his form of wudu?
What exactly is it that he does, doesn't do, or does worng?

Abdulbary Yahya
03-05-2005, 05:32 PM
Assalamu Alaikum

For someone who is arrogant one of the methods that could be used to advise them is to ask a question . Ask him how to make Wudu or ask him according to what Madhab are you making your Wudu and he will be forced to research the correct way In Sha Allah

taimur
03-06-2005, 08:14 AM
Jazakhallah for everyone's respones.
I am going to try them inshallah when i see him next time..
I personally like the way that the Grandchildren of RasulAllah(s).
but inshallah i will also try all the other ways too..
May Allah reward you all!