What Iffers?

Ify Okoye · 09-03-2005, 01:58 PM

It was mentioned in The Code Evolved and again during the Fiqh of Love about people who like to ask "what if" questions. There was a certain land that was known for these type of questions and it would be said to "what if" questioners: "Go to the land of the what if"

Does anyone know what the term in Arabic is for the people of the what if questions? In English, I suppose one would say "What Iffers".

09-03-2005, 05:03 PM

Didn't shaykh Yaser give us the arabic name when we took TCE class last year. It might be in your notes..If not, let me know, I'll search through mine, Insh Allah.

Ify Okoye · 09-03-2005, 05:09 PM

Asalamu alaykum,

It was mentioned in the class in English. Some students made some suggestions but they were not the exact term Shaykh Yaser had in mind. He asked us to look up the name.

sadiav · 09-04-2005, 11:31 AM

the evolution of fiqh, by bilal phillips, pg 49

.....due to this group's support of extensive reasoning, they became known as ahl ar-rai [reasoning people]. the center of the ahl ar-rai scholars was kufah, in iraq. the fiqh of kufah developed along hypothetical lines. problems were invented and variations of existing situations guessed at, then imaginary solutions were worked out and recorded. in their discussions they often used the phrase, "what if it were like this?" and thus they were nicknamed the what-iffers.

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and Allah knows best

Ify Okoye · 09-04-2005, 03:59 PM

Asalamu alaykum,

May Allah reward you. Alhamdulillah, it is understood that the what-iffers are a group within ahl ar-rai as opposed to ahlul hadeeth. So the question remains how did the scholars term this particular subgrouping in Arabic?

isramiraj · 09-06-2005, 02:03 PM

Asslamalikum,

On a side note I thought it was really objective and open-minded as well as an open hand of unity for Almaghrib to include a the argument of following a madhab or not under the preparation for Code of Evolved section.

http://www.almaghrib.org/prep_tce.php

This was real important for many people (including myself) about the issue of objectivity. Inshallah will look forward to taking the class when it is offered. May Allah (SWT) unite us!

09-07-2005, 08:59 PM

The name of the group in Arabic is الأرأيتيَون or Al Ara-Aytiyyoon from the Arabic verb أرأيت...؟ which represents in Arabic the question they pose for "what if...?"

Ify Okoye · 09-08-2005, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yaser Birjas

The name of the group in Arabic is الأرأيتيَون or Al Ara-Aytiyyoon from the Arabic verb أرأيت...؟ which represents in Arabic the question they pose for "what if...?"

Alhamdulillah. May Allah reward you.

EnigmaXIII · 09-25-2005, 12:30 AM

WHAT IF......

Allahu’alam !
Cheers !

09-03-2005, 01:58 PM	#1
Ify Okoye Ameerah, Qabeelat Nurayn Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,126	What Iffers? It was mentioned in The Code Evolved and again during the Fiqh of Love about people who like to ask "what if" questions. There was a certain land that was known for these type of questions and it would be said to "what if" questioners: "Go to the land of the what if" Does anyone know what the term in Arabic is for the people of the what if questions? In English, I suppose one would say "What Iffers".

09-03-2005, 05:03 PM	#2
Mujahidah Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What Iffers? Didn't shaykh Yaser give us the arabic name when we took TCE class last year. It might be in your notes..If not, let me know, I'll search through mine, Insh Allah.

09-03-2005, 05:09 PM	#3
Ify Okoye Ameerah, Qabeelat Nurayn Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,126	Re: What Iffers? Asalamu alaykum, It was mentioned in the class in English. Some students made some suggestions but they were not the exact term Shaykh Yaser had in mind. He asked us to look up the name.

09-04-2005, 11:31 AM	#4
sadiav Qabeelat Asad Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,988	Re: What Iffers? the evolution of fiqh, by bilal phillips, pg 49 .....due to this group's support of extensive reasoning, they became known as ahl ar-rai [reasoning people]. the center of the ahl ar-rai scholars was kufah, in iraq. the fiqh of kufah developed along hypothetical lines. problems were invented and variations of existing situations guessed at, then imaginary solutions were worked out and recorded. in their discussions they often used the phrase, "what if it were like this?" and thus they were nicknamed the what-iffers. -- and Allah knows best __________________ Each day we wake up, we are faced with a decision: Use this as a day to come closer to Allah SWT OR let it pass by as another wasted day What will we decide today

09-04-2005, 03:59 PM	#5
Ify Okoye Ameerah, Qabeelat Nurayn Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,126	Re: What Iffers? Asalamu alaykum, May Allah reward you. Alhamdulillah, it is understood that the what-iffers are a group within ahl ar-rai as opposed to ahlul hadeeth. So the question remains how did the scholars term this particular subgrouping in Arabic? __________________ الحمد لله الذي بنعمته تتم الصالحات *•¨¨:•.(¯`'•.¸ Umm al-Qaba'il ¸.•'´¯).•:¨¨•* Nurayn: The Lighthouse Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should say good or remain silent. [Bukhari and Muslim]

09-06-2005, 02:03 PM	#6
isramiraj Ummat Muhammad Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Herndon, VA Posts: 104	Re: What Iffers? Asslamalikum, On a side note I thought it was really objective and open-minded as well as an open hand of unity for Almaghrib to include a the argument of following a madhab or not under the preparation for Code of Evolved section. http://www.almaghrib.org/prep_tce.php This was real important for many people (including myself) about the issue of objectivity. Inshallah will look forward to taking the class when it is offered. May Allah (SWT) unite us!

09-07-2005, 08:59 PM	#7
Yaser Birjas Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What Iffers? The name of the group in Arabic is الأرأيتيَون or Al Ara-Aytiyyoon from the Arabic verb أرأيت...؟ which represents in Arabic the question they pose for "what if...?"

09-25-2005, 12:30 AM	#9
EnigmaXIII Qabeelat Mubeen Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 11	Re: What Iffers? WHAT IF...... Allahu’alam ! Cheers ! __________________ *** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Fire can't hurt you if you're floating on a stream." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ***

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