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Old 07-25-2007, 12:49 PM   #31
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Have you checked out the poll on my blog!!!
It's insane, up to 90% of people have said that their lack of indecision, lack of direction, has cost them between 1-3 years of their life, and MUCH MUCH MORE.
SubhanAllah, the polls must have really change because within 2 hours after you posted this - the poll looks like this (unless I am getting the wrong poll):
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Less then 1 year 17 (13%)
Between 1-3 years 30 (24%)
More then 3 years 68 (55%)
Other 7 (5%)
Anyhow, this generalization might not apply to the larger (North American muslims?) population since those who visited and voted on the poll are probably systematically different than others (i.e., biased sample problem). For instance, these visitors tend to have already decided that they to rediscover themselves.
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Old 07-25-2007, 01:23 PM   #32
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Re: Profess II

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Anyhow, this generalization might not apply to the larger (North American muslims?) population since those who visited and voted on the poll are probably systematically different than others (i.e., biased sample problem). For instance, these visitors tend to have already decided that they to rediscover themselves.
Good reflections.
Do you have experience in statistic measurement?
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Old 07-25-2007, 08:23 PM   #33
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Do you have experience in statistic measurement?
Yes, but nothing advanced.
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Old 07-25-2007, 09:13 PM   #34
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Re: How did you choose your profession?

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My question to all of you: how many years of your life were exhausted trying to figure out what you wanted to do?
24 years.

One of my chosen vocation in elementary school believe it or not was "housewife". The others were doctor, lawyer, but those were more because I wasn't aware of what else was out there. My father is a doctor so it's automatic that I grew up wanting to be a doctor. My father did tell me the harrowing life as a doctor though especially for a woman. he said I will probably be on call, and for me to think about it when I have a family. Turns out I am squeamish around blood, and mu resuilts in high school weren't good enough to get a government schlarship (which wasn't a problem because my father was ready to sponsor me full to the UK), but somehow I went stubborn and insisted on applying to this program where most of my high school friends were going. (I just wanted to go overseas, didn't matter where)

I spent 2 years plus in malaysia majoring in computer science (oh and how I got here isa story in itself: Basicaly my father dragged me for career consultations to his doctor partner, first they told me to do accounting, I said I wanted pharmacy or food science because i love biology and my strength is in reading, not physics or math. Long story short, they convinced me that computer science was the way to go because it will be in high demand later on - how true but my heart wasn't in it at all). Then came here to complete the other 2 years. I graduated a computer scienc major but I hated it. In the final year I went to the food sci dept asking what would it cost me to do a food sci, they said anotehr 3 years and that was if I cram everything.i already had 2 kids then, no sponsor, so bye bye to that.

I did end up a housewife, but not without its own challenges. 5 years afetr i graduated I did some soul searching I suppose. 3 years ago I found myself. I love writing. Now, other than being a mother (a profession I must say), I am doing what I love too - writing. But yes, I guess I 'wasted' those years in college, but guess again, I don't think it's a waste. Education is never a waste (that's what my mom said). Allah's wisdom. Had I not gone that path, my life would have probably been very different. Maybe I would have gone to the UK, married someone else, not rediscover Islam as I did here, wallahu a'lam.
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Old 07-25-2007, 09:24 PM   #35
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I just realized something: I'm doing what I'm doing to make my mom happy. That doesn't necessarily mean that I'm not happy doing it, because as long as my mom is happy, I'm happy. :/
I guess this is another issue: How do you pick a profession without dissappointing your parents? Some parents insist that their child go through the extra 8,9 or 10 years just to "secure" their future. What's the best way to convince your parents that their choice isnt YOUR choice?--without being disrespectful, of course..
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Old 07-26-2007, 04:46 AM   #36
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Re: How did you choose your profession?

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But yes, I guess I 'wasted' those years in college, but guess again, I don't think it's a waste. Education is never a waste (that's what my mom said).

Y'know what's interesting, I never said "how many years did you waste ..." I too don't consider a waste, there is always a lesson in what you do, no matter what. Perhaps because the person has exhausted so many years, it was all leading to making a major shift in their lives that would make their life 100x more productive then if they didn't waste those years.

The words I chose were ... Exhaust, as in how many years has one exhausted in not knowing what they want.

Sure, it's great to have a lesson. But really, should a human spend multiple years of their life just to figure one thing out? What if they could learn sooner? What if they could be on track at a much earlier stage in their life, how much more productive would their life be?
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Old 07-26-2007, 07:26 AM   #37
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Re: How did you choose your profession?

I'd like to give my 25-cent-worth..

I often times hear youth changing careers from Engineering, law, medical field... to becoming da'iya in the Islamic field (some were talking about becoming a professional da'iya). I'm just thinking that if we all leave these fields, then we will no longer have Muslim doctors, Muslim engineers, Muslim dentists, Muslim lawyers...

I think a better approach, wallahu a'lam, if possible, to have the beauty of both:I'lm of the Dunya and the I'lm of the Akhira. This is what I call Noor A'La Noor (Light upon light).

Let's look at the example of Abu-Hanifa:

Abu-Hanifa's father was a fabric merchant. When Abu-Hanifa was about 17 years old, he decided to make his father’s shop the largest in Iraq. He looked for the finest man who taught marketing science as he had a scientific approach to every thing in life. (By the way, three of the four imams were encouraged by their mothers to study science.) At this stage studying was never on his mind, all that mattered to him was to be successful in life. He asked his father to modernize the shop and in a few years he became the owner of one of the biggest shops in Koofah. He always excelled in anything he did. His father allowed him to develop the business hence the shop flourished and they became richer by the day, their yearly income became 200,000 dinars. Abu-Hanifa only kept 4000 dirhams per year for himself and his family and spent the rest on charitable causes. Later on in his life, he decided to pursue the knowledge of Sharia'a.

Several contempory scholars in Egypt and all over the world in fact are doctors and engineers...


Yes, the Prophet a'layhi assalatu wassalam, did say in the hadith narrated by Mu'awiya Ibn Abi Sufyan and reported by Bukhari, Muslim and Attirmidhi: "When Allah wishes good for a person, He makes him understand the religion." But if this I'lm is coupled with the wordly I'lm with the intention of using that I'lm in something that would turn fruitful upon the Muslim Umma, then that's light upon light.

I was able, walhamdullillah, to obtain a Masters in Computer Information Systems from San Francisco with a 3.9 over 4.0 GPA. That's in fact for me is da'wa to others as I took that opportunity to talk to my schoolmates and teachers about Islam.
This did not deter me from pursuing my Islamic education endavour and getting an Islamic degree in Sharia'a. As a matter of fact, I'm planning insha'allah to pursue a PHD in Islamic Sharia'a, namely Hadith.

And Allah knows best.
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Old 07-26-2007, 08:55 AM   #38
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Re: How did you choose your profession?

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[color=black]I often times hear youth changing careers from Engineering, law, medical field... to becoming da'iya in the Islamic field (some were talking about becoming a professional da'iya). I'm just thinking that if we all leave these fields, then we will no longer have Muslim doctors, Muslim engineers, Muslim dentists, Muslim lawyers...




Assalaamu alaikum Sh. Riad,

I disagree with you in the sense that there are so many Muslim professionals (doctors, engineers, lawyers) that a few people leaving to go study deen won't have the slightest impact on the overall impact of Muslim professionals.

However, I agree with you in that if a person wants to be a (basic) da'ee, he can have the best of both worlds. Actually, Kamal El-Mekki mentioned that du'aat must be self sufficient these days since organizations don't really pay du'aat well enough to live a decent lifestyle. Thus, a brother who wants to be involved in da'wah work can take some time off from work or between jobs/contracts to go study overseas. That should earn him the basic qualifications.

On the other hand, what we are lacking in my opinion is not necessarily du'aat but scholars (raised in the West, and trained overseas). There are very few if any of those individuals in the US. What I mean by that is someone who has spent 15-20 years studying overseas and has the tools to give rulings for our situation here in America using authentic methodology. I don't necessarily think that just graduating from an Islaamic University or madrassa program with a basic level degree is cutting the mustard for us. We need (bare minimum) Ph.D level scholars who have also sat at the feet of kibaar ul ulemaa. Yeah, and they shoulda been raised here so they know the culture. I think that is what we are lacking and what we should encourage more of rather than encouraging "general da'wah" for brothers that want to go study. Get my drift?
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Old 07-26-2007, 09:18 AM   #39
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Re: How did you choose your profession?

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Bismillah.
I think this is a really interestnig question: how many years have you exhausted. Because, subhan Allah, if you think about it ... this is ENORMOUS how many wasted YEARS of our lives because we couldn't get ourselves up to deciding what we wanted.

(...vote on my blog related to this question of how many years have you wasted: http://80707.blogspot.com)

I guess I was responding to this ya ustadh, when I mentioned the word 'wasted'. Nevertheless, I cannot disagree with your most recent post, and that is actually the conclusion I myself came up with too, and I suppose the direction you are going with one of your workshops, which is really interesting mashaallah.
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Old 07-26-2007, 10:32 AM   #40
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Assalaamu alaikum Sh. Riad,

I disagree with you in the sense that there are so many Muslim professionals (doctors, engineers, lawyers) that a few people leaving to go study deen won't have the slightest impact on the overall impact of Muslim professionals.

However, I agree with you in that if a person wants to be a (basic) da'ee, he can have the best of both worlds. Actually, Kamal El-Mekki mentioned that du'aat must be self sufficient these days since organizations don't really pay du'aat well enough to live a decent lifestyle. Thus, a brother who wants to be involved in da'wah work can take some time off from work or between jobs/contracts to go study overseas. That should earn him the basic qualifications.

On the other hand, what we are lacking in my opinion is not necessarily du'aat but scholars (raised in the West, and trained overseas). There are very few if any of those individuals in the US. What I mean by that is someone who has spent 15-20 years studying overseas and has the tools to give rulings for our situation here in America using authentic methodology. I don't necessarily think that just graduating from an Islaamic University or madrassa program with a basic level degree is cutting the mustard for us. We need (bare minimum) Ph.D level scholars who have also sat at the feet of kibaar ul ulemaa. Yeah, and they shoulda been raised here so they know the culture. I think that is what we are lacking and what we should encourage more of rather than encouraging "general da'wah" for brothers that want to go study. Get my drift?

May be you misunderstood my point, but I do agree that we need Muslim scholars; all I'm saying is that one can really do both if he or she got the chance and the time to. It's just that some of my students who are in the midst of their final academical years wanted to drop everything and pursue purely Islamic studies. That's the point I was trying to send across.
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