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I posted a similar post in 1 other place ..... however, seeing that this thread is devoted totally to this issue of Raf` al-Yadayn (raising the hands), I will post it again here. It is a question I had for Shaykh Yaser.
----------------------------------------------------- Hafizhaka Allaahu yaa Shaykhna al-Kareem al-Habeeb, I had a quick question regarding the Raf` al-Yadayn [raising of the 2 hands] in Salaah. + What I understood from last week's classes: The Hanafis believe that there should only be 1 raising of the hands, and that is in the beginning of the Salaah [تكبيرة الإحرام]. And the other Fuqahaa` are of the opinion that there should be 3 more "raising of the hands" - before going into Rukoo', when rising from Rukoo', and upon getting up from the 1st tashahhud. Now, my question: "What do you say about, raising the hands with every takbeer (i.e. with every movement in the Salaah)? I heard that Shaykh al-Albaani said it is a Sunnah (and was practiced by many of the Imams, including Ahmad Ibn Hanbal - and also it was quoted from Maalik and Shaafi`ee)! And he said that there are saheeh narrations that state that Rasoolullah [صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم] did so (sometimes). What is your take - حفظك الله - on this?"
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-- Quote from the great Imaam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal (رحمه الله).
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Qabeelat Durbah
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Re: Rule of raising hands in Salah
Assalamu Alaikum
Also, Shaykh Allamah Anwar Shah Kashmiri has written a comprehensive treatise entitled Nayl al-Farqadayn fi Mas’alat Raf`al-Yadayn (Clarity on the Issue of Raising the Hands) proving that not raising the hands is preferable to raising them. You can read them here: http://www.archive.org/download/nai...ilfarkadain.pdf
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Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The similitude of His light is as a niche wherein is a lamp. The lamp is in a glass. The glass is as it were a shining star. (This lamp is) kindled from a blessed tree, an olive neither of the East nor of the West, whose oil would almost glow forth (of itself) though no fire touched it. Light upon light. Allah guideth unto His light whom He will. And Allah speaketh to mankind in allegories, for Allah is Knower of all things. 024:035 A man once asked Abû Hurayrah – Allâh be pleased with him, ‘What is al-taqwâ?” He replied, “Have you ever taken a path filled with thorns?” The man replied, “I have.” Abû Hurayrah asked him, “What did you do?” He replied, “When I saw a thorn I would dodge it or pass over it or behind it.” Abû Hurayrah said, “That is al-taqwâ.”
Al-Baihaqî, Al-Zuhd Al-Kabîr p351.
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Qabeelat Durbah
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Re: when to raise hands in Salah?
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According to Abu Hanifah, Muhammad ibn Hasan, Abu Yusuf, Imam Malik, as well as the majority of the sahaba and tabi'een, you are not supposed to raise your hands except for the first takbir commencing the salah. However, if you are a Shafi'i or Hanbali, follow your maddhab and raise your hands when rising from the ruku'.
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Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The similitude of His light is as a niche wherein is a lamp. The lamp is in a glass. The glass is as it were a shining star. (This lamp is) kindled from a blessed tree, an olive neither of the East nor of the West, whose oil would almost glow forth (of itself) though no fire touched it. Light upon light. Allah guideth unto His light whom He will. And Allah speaketh to mankind in allegories, for Allah is Knower of all things. 024:035 A man once asked Abû Hurayrah – Allâh be pleased with him, ‘What is al-taqwâ?” He replied, “Have you ever taken a path filled with thorns?” The man replied, “I have.” Abû Hurayrah asked him, “What did you do?” He replied, “When I saw a thorn I would dodge it or pass over it or behind it.” Abû Hurayrah said, “That is al-taqwâ.”
Al-Baihaqî, Al-Zuhd Al-Kabîr p351.
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Banu Hayl
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Re: when to raise hands in Salah?
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‘A’ishah radi Allahu anha narrated: “Once, when I saw the Prophet in a good mood, I said to him: “O Messenger of Allah! Supplicate to Allah for me!” So, he said: “O Allah! Forgive ‘A’ishah her past and future sins, what she has hidden, as well as what she has made apparent.” So, I began smiling, to the point that my head fell into the lap of the Messenger of Allah sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam out of joy. The Messenger of Allah said to me: “Does my supplication make you happy?” I replied: “And how can your supplication not make me happy?” He then said: “By Allah, it is the supplication that I make for my Ummah in every prayer.” [Reported in 'Sahih Mawarid adh-Dhaman' (1875), and it is in 'as-Silsilah as-Sahihah' (2254)] Last edited by Yusuf513Khan : 07-13-2009 at 12:34 AM. |
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Banu Hayl
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Re: Rule of raising hands in Salah
Here are some good summarizing comments on the ikhtilaaf from the Ahl Al Hadith forums...
NB: The issue of to raise or not to raise with evidences and opinions has been beat to death on other forums...take your pick, it's probably there somewhere. Quote:
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‘A’ishah radi Allahu anha narrated: “Once, when I saw the Prophet in a good mood, I said to him: “O Messenger of Allah! Supplicate to Allah for me!” So, he said: “O Allah! Forgive ‘A’ishah her past and future sins, what she has hidden, as well as what she has made apparent.” So, I began smiling, to the point that my head fell into the lap of the Messenger of Allah sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam out of joy. The Messenger of Allah said to me: “Does my supplication make you happy?” I replied: “And how can your supplication not make me happy?” He then said: “By Allah, it is the supplication that I make for my Ummah in every prayer.” [Reported in 'Sahih Mawarid adh-Dhaman' (1875), and it is in 'as-Silsilah as-Sahihah' (2254)] |
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Re: Rule of raising hands in Salah
I love studying the difference of opinion on this subject. It gives us more opportunity to grow as open-minded Islamic workers, alhamdulillah.
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Banu Hayl
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Re: Rule of raising hands in Salah
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Code of Scholars is still my favorite class though. A real eye-opener Alhumdulillah. Quote:
OR ignant Ummah-splitting fools?...double-edged sword up in the mugg.
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‘A’ishah radi Allahu anha narrated: “Once, when I saw the Prophet in a good mood, I said to him: “O Messenger of Allah! Supplicate to Allah for me!” So, he said: “O Allah! Forgive ‘A’ishah her past and future sins, what she has hidden, as well as what she has made apparent.” So, I began smiling, to the point that my head fell into the lap of the Messenger of Allah sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam out of joy. The Messenger of Allah said to me: “Does my supplication make you happy?” I replied: “And how can your supplication not make me happy?” He then said: “By Allah, it is the supplication that I make for my Ummah in every prayer.” [Reported in 'Sahih Mawarid adh-Dhaman' (1875), and it is in 'as-Silsilah as-Sahihah' (2254)] |
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Qabeelat Durbah
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Re: Rule of raising hands in Salah
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Ibrahim An Nakh'i from Alqamah from Abdullah ibn Mas'ud. According to some muhadditheen, this is the strongest chain in all of hadith!!! (This is the view of Imam Nasa'i and Yahya ibn Ma'in; they attribute to it the term "sanad adh dhahab," or the "golden chain"). To say that the hadith prohibiting raising of the hands are weak is willful ignorance on the part of this Shaikh Haitham, as no "shaikh" could have made this mistake. Even Shaikh Albani admits in his book on prayer that this hadith (amongst many others that also prohibit raising of the hands) is authentic. Shaikh Haitham also probably is unaware of the fact that Imam Malik considered not raising the hands at the level of mutawaatir (which is higher than even sahih). Because all of the people of Madina did not raise their hands, Imam Malik considered each living person a living tradition in support of the fact that not raising the hands was the norm of the Prophet (pbuh). So to call following the position of not raising the hands fanatical "radical sectarianism" simply illustrates just how little this "shaikh" knows. Even the Shafi'is and Hnabalis, who say that raising the hands is akmal (optimal--notice how they stay away from saying sunnah because of their fear of Allah unlike so many of today's so called "scholars" who throw that word around left and right) accept that the Prophet many times did not raise his hands. However, in their opinion, it is superior to raise the hands. Quote:
http://www.archive.org/download/nai...ilfarkadain.pdf Even a quick read of Bukhari's statement will allow the reader to see where Imam Bukhari went wrong. He supposes that Ibrahim An Nakh'i was trying to make a quantitative statement, when he was making a qualitative one. It is not based on speculation, as Bukhari is saying. Speculation has no basis in prayer and its applications. Rather, he was saying what alqamah must have reported to him from Ibn Mas'ud: namely that the Prophet would not raise his hands many, many more times than he did. Quote:
As for the tradition where Ibn Masu'd states that Al falaq and nas are not from the quran, it is considered weak unanimously by the scholars of hadith. So the argument is null and void. Abu bakr, Umar, Abu huraira, and Ali would all not do raf' al yadayn: 1. Aswad reports: "I performed prayer with Umar, and he raised his hands only when beginning the prayer" (musannaf ibn Abi Shayba) 2. Mujahid reports: "I did not see Umar raise his hands except at the beginning of prayer." (Musannaf ibn Abi Shayba) 3. The same is reported of Abu Huraira in the Muwatta. 4. Asim ibn Kulay reports from his father, a companion of Ali, that "Ali would raise his hands only at the initial takbir when beginning his prayer; thereafter, he would not raise them again at any other place in the prayer" (Muwatta Imam Muhammad, Musannaf ibn Abi Shayba) In addition, the people of Kufa followed the maddhab of Ali, so the fact that they did not do it illustrates that Ali did not do it (after all, the people of Kufa learned their fiqh from Ali). Bottomline: Ibn Mas'ud did not forget about this issue, nor over others. Whoever tries to sell such a disgusting attack on Ibn Mas'ud will be accountable to Allah. Quote:
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Actually, the conclusion is that there are sahih ahadith on both sides. But it is clear that the Prophet did not do raf' al yadayn more often than he did (as there are clear statements from the sahaba that show that, though there are not athar from the sahaba that show that he did raf' al yadayn many times). Also, what is clearly established is that when he passed away, he was not doing it, though this cannot be definitely proven that he did do it when he passed away. So, if you want to stick to the safer side: don't raise your hands. Wallahu A'lam
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Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The similitude of His light is as a niche wherein is a lamp. The lamp is in a glass. The glass is as it were a shining star. (This lamp is) kindled from a blessed tree, an olive neither of the East nor of the West, whose oil would almost glow forth (of itself) though no fire touched it. Light upon light. Allah guideth unto His light whom He will. And Allah speaketh to mankind in allegories, for Allah is Knower of all things. 024:035 A man once asked Abû Hurayrah – Allâh be pleased with him, ‘What is al-taqwâ?” He replied, “Have you ever taken a path filled with thorns?” The man replied, “I have.” Abû Hurayrah asked him, “What did you do?” He replied, “When I saw a thorn I would dodge it or pass over it or behind it.” Abû Hurayrah said, “That is al-taqwâ.”
Al-Baihaqî, Al-Zuhd Al-Kabîr p351.
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Qabeelat Haadi
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Re: Rule of raising hands in Salah
from my understanding Ibn Masood left the prophet sallahu alayhi wa salaam early on, even the way he sat in the final sitting was different then how the salah ended up.
Also we know Abu Hurairah came to Rusullah late in his life so if a position changed it is most likely abu huriarah would be recording the hadith that abrogated another hadith or in this case would be reporting what is superior to the other because raising the hands was adding a sunnah to the salah inshallah. Allah alaam.
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Re: Rule of raising hands in Salah
Bismillah I am not sure if some of these posts are those of the actual people posting, or copying/pasting comments, but they are a getting a little too intense for my liking...So this will be my last post for this thread bi izhnillah.
I am sorry for offending anybody. I do NOT have a "position" on the matter, since I am not qualified to. If someone has an issue with any of the evidences in this thread, it might be beneficial to "debate" or "question" them from the references provided, so the authors/posters can defend themselves. Lastly, I came across an interesting posting for the Takhreej of some of the evidences that I will put below. Source :Ahl Al Hadeeth Froums Thread: Takhreej of the Issue of Raful-Yadain Quote:
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‘A’ishah radi Allahu anha narrated: “Once, when I saw the Prophet in a good mood, I said to him: “O Messenger of Allah! Supplicate to Allah for me!” So, he said: “O Allah! Forgive ‘A’ishah her past and future sins, what she has hidden, as well as what she has made apparent.” So, I began smiling, to the point that my head fell into the lap of the Messenger of Allah sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam out of joy. The Messenger of Allah said to me: “Does my supplication make you happy?” I replied: “And how can your supplication not make me happy?” He then said: “By Allah, it is the supplication that I make for my Ummah in every prayer.” [Reported in 'Sahih Mawarid adh-Dhaman' (1875), and it is in 'as-Silsilah as-Sahihah' (2254)] |
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