Dhikhr-beads!

[mehr_muslimah]

Asalamu-alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh!
Okay this has been bugging me fr quite a while...is the use of dhikr-beads/misbaha bid'ah? What about those electronic ones?
JazakAllah khair!

[Abd- Allah]

Assalam Alaikum

Lets ask ourselves first, did Dhikr beads exist at the time of the prophet peace be upon him ? - NO

How did the prophet peace be upon him do Dhikr ? - on his right hand fingers.

How did the prophet peace be upon him instruct his companions to do Dhikr ? - on their right hand fingers, because on the day of judgement, they will speak and witness for you that you used them to remember Allah.

After the prophet had passed away and some people started new innovations, What was the companions' reactions to when they saw some people doing Dhikr on something other than their right hand ? - Ibn Mas'oud saw a woman who was doing Dhikr on some beads or something, so he broke them for her and threw them, and then he saw a man doing Dhikr using stones, so he kicked him and told him that this is an innovation! So the companions denounced those new innovations when they saw them.

Now, we all know as the hadith says "the best of guidance is the guidance of prophet Muhammad", so it is best for us to follow his guidance and do Dhikr on our right hand fingers.

Allah knows best.

[Nihalk1]

The act of using dhikr beads is not considered an act of worship...so how can it be bida'ah?

[Ibn Abi Ukhti]

BismiLlah,

Wa 'Alaykum Assalam,

I just wanted to quote the following hadith:

Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas رضي الله عنه said that along with Rasul Allah صلى الله عليه و سلم he once visited a woman in front of whom were some datestones or pebbles which she was using [to keep count] in glorifying Allah سبحان و تعالى. Rasul Allah صلى الله عليه و سلم said, "Shall I not tell you something which would be easier (or better) for you than that? [and he told her it consisted of saying, ...] [Sunan Abi Dawud & Sunan Al Tirmidhi, hasan]

[Abd- Allah]

Originally Posted by Nihalk1

The act of using dhikr beads is not considered an act of worship...so how can it be bida'ah?

Oh, it is not considered an act of worship ??? Then what is it considered ?

Making Dhikr is considered worship, I think there is consensus among the scholars on this one.

[Nihalk1]

Making dhikr is an act of worship but using the masbahah isn't.

[Abd- Allah]

Originally Posted by Ibn Abi Ukhti

BismiLlah,

Wa 'Alaykum Assalam,

I just wanted to quote the following hadith:

Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas رضي الله عنه said that along with Rasul Allah صلى الله عليه و سلم he once visited a woman in front of whom were some datestones or pebbles which she was using [to keep count] in glorifying Allah سبحان و تعالى. Rasul Allah صلى الله عليه و سلم said, "Shall I not tell you something which would be easier (or better) for you than that? [and he told her it consisted of saying, ...] [Sunan Abi Dawud & Sunan Al Tirmidhi, hasan]

Assalam Alaikum

Sheikh Albani has classified this hadith as Weak. Check Da'eef Abi Dawud, hadith # 1500.

[Abd- Allah]

Originally Posted by Nihalk1

Making dhikr is an act of worship but using the masbahah isn't.

But you are using the masbahah to make dhikr, so it becomes part of it. You can carry a masbahah around all you want, but the moment you start using it to make dhikr then it becomes part of an act of worship and therefore an innovation.

[Yusuf513Khan]

Originally Posted by Abd- Allah

But you are using the masbahah to make dhikr, so it becomes part of it. You can carry a masbahah around all you want, but the moment you start using it to make dhikr then it becomes part of an act of worship and therefore an innovation.

I think you would need to prove the point that something that aids in an act of worship becomes an act of worship itself (and thus needs to have evidence in our texts)...

If I use a camel/car/bike to get to the masjid to pray Isha...does it become a part of worship and thus, would have to see if there was evidence to see if such things were used to aid in my worship?

Among some of the Ulema of our time (such as Sh. Fawzan, Sh. Uthaymeen r, etc.) have allowed dhikr beads among other evidences. One of these is the understanding that "counting" is not an act of worship, and thus the beads are not bid'a, since the purpose of the fingers is to count the act of worship which is the dhikr itself.

Although nobody disagrees using the hand is better as it is authentically in the Sunnah.

This is not a fatwa. Just some information (from my limited understanding) to show there are other sides to the equation and not cut and dry as some may make.

Allahualam

[Yusuf513Khan]

Originally Posted by Abd- Allah

Assalam Alaikum

Sheikh Albani has classified this hadith as Weak. Check Da'eef Abi Dawud, hadith # 1500.

Is there any ikhtilaaf on the authenticity of this hadith? Has anybody graded this hadith or hadith like it authentic?