Bowing

nightsofworship · 06-21-2005, 02:08 AM

Bismillah hir rahman nir raheem

Assalaam 'alaykum

This question is especially for Sh. Yasir, but if anyone knows the correct answer, inshallaah, that's all I'd like to hear.

Well, most of the people already asked all the possible scenarios for bowing/standing up for other people, and the ruling is that it's not permissible, and at the same time it is not necessarily considered shirk (but that just depends on the situation/intention), correct?

With that said, here's another thing I realized that is common in culture... kissing hands. The act itself is just to kiss the hand of an elder (out of respect), but about 99.9% of the time, it also constitutes one bowing their head in order to do that. The intention isn't to bow the head out of respect, but rather to kiss the hand out of respect. Would you happen to know what the verdict is on that?

Jazaak Allaah khair

Assalaam 'alaykum

Danish Hasan · 06-21-2005, 04:55 PM

Very interesting question.....

ChicagoAtif · 06-21-2005, 05:06 PM

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http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=en...QR=20243&dgn=4

Abu Ammaar · 06-21-2005, 08:04 PM

Salaam Alaikum

Jazak Allah for that excellent reference - esp the second response.

This shows that *intending* to bow is forbidden, but if one's intention is to kiss the hand then since the bowing is not intended but incidental it is overlooked.

And Allah knows best...
Yasir

Sr.Anam · 06-21-2005, 08:10 PM

another question regarding bowing your head...in the class i think the Sh. Yasir had mentioned that its not right to bow your head even in respect towards your parents...what i have read and always heard is that you should always have your sholders lumped and your head should be lowered when your father speaks to you or when you speak to your father...so im confused?

Abu Ammaar · 06-21-2005, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ZkrofAllah

another question regarding bowing your head...in the class i think the Sh. Yasir had mentioned that its not right to bow your head even in respect towards your parents...what i have read and always heard is that you should always have your sholders lumped and your head should be lowered when your father speaks to you or when you speak to your father...so im confused?

Salaam Alaikum

There is a difference between not looking up as a sign of respect vs bowing down as a sign of respect. The first is allowed, the second isn't.

Yasir

06-21-2005, 02:08 AM	#1
nightsofworship Ummat Muhammad Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: BANU IBRAHIM!!!- Houston Posts: 382	Bowing Bismillah hir rahman nir raheem Assalaam 'alaykum This question is especially for Sh. Yasir, but if anyone knows the correct answer, inshallaah, that's all I'd like to hear. Well, most of the people already asked all the possible scenarios for bowing/standing up for other people, and the ruling is that it's not permissible, and at the same time it is not necessarily considered shirk (but that just depends on the situation/intention), correct? With that said, here's another thing I realized that is common in culture... kissing hands. The act itself is just to kiss the hand of an elder (out of respect), but about 99.9% of the time, it also constitutes one bowing their head in order to do that. The intention isn't to bow the head out of respect, but rather to kiss the hand out of respect. Would you happen to know what the verdict is on that? Jazaak Allaah khair Assalaam 'alaykum __________________ Will He Who has created not know? Whereas He knows every detail, the All Aware! Surah Mulk, 67:14

06-21-2005, 04:55 PM	#2
Danish Hasan Ummat Muhammad Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Banu Ibrahim Posts: 646	Re: Bowing Very interesting question..... __________________ وَمَا قَدَرُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ حَقَّ قَدْرِهِۦ "They made not a just estimate of Allāh..." [Sūrah azZumar V. 67] Sheikh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyya said, "Greek logic is a science that an intelligent person is not in need of, and an idiot cannot benefit from." Qabeelat Hosna

06-21-2005, 05:06 PM	#3
ChicagoAtif Qabeelat Wasat Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 117	Re: Bowing http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=en...&QR=3489&dgn=4 http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=en...QR=20243&dgn=4 __________________ *Qabeelat Wasat* The Messenger of Allaah (saws) said, “There will never cease to exist a band from my Ummah, fighting for the decree of Allah, over-powering their enemy, they will not be harmed by those who oppose them, until the hour approaches them and they are upon it (i.e. fighting for the truth)” - narrated by Muslim. Shaykh al Islam Ibn Taymiyyah:"In fact they are in the middle path amongst the sects of the Ummah, just as this Ummah is in the middle path amongst (other) nations" Imaam ‘Abdullaah Ibn al-Mubaarak and Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal said, “If the people disagree (ikhtilaaf) regarding anything, then look at what the Mujaahidoon say- since the Truth is with them; because Allaah says, “As for those who wage Jihaad in Us (for Our Cause), We will surely guide them to Our Paths.” al-‘Ankaboot: 69. Refer to Majmoo’ al-Fataawaa (28/442).

06-21-2005, 08:04 PM	#4
Abu Ammaar Instructor, AlMaghrib Institute Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 731	Re: Bowing Salaam Alaikum Jazak Allah for that excellent reference - esp the second response. This shows that intending to bow is forbidden, but if one's intention is to kiss the hand then since the bowing is not intended but incidental it is overlooked. And Allah knows best... Yasir

06-21-2005, 08:10 PM	#5
Sr.Anam Ameerah, Qabeelat Hosna Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston~ Tx***BanU IbraHIm Posts: 744	Re: Bowing another question regarding bowing your head...in the class i think the Sh. Yasir had mentioned that its not right to bow your head even in respect towards your parents...what i have read and always heard is that you should always have your sholders lumped and your head should be lowered when your father speaks to you or when you speak to your father...so im confused? __________________ ~~"Woman was made from the rib of man. She was not created from his head to top him, nor from his feet to be stepped upon. She was made from his side to be close to him, from beneath his arm to be protected by him, and near his heart to be loved by!"~~~ I am a Hosnawi Nation Builder :: Sisters Crew :: QuranJam.com

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