Question for shaikh about garment over ankles

[shargiya]

Salam alaikum. My question is twofold. First of all we all know the hadith in which Rasool Allah SAAW said the portion of ankles that are covered will be in the hell fire, and Abu bakr RA asked about himself and the Prophet clarified that it was for those who dragged the cloth below their ankles out of arrogance. So my question is if someone does not do so out of arrogance, then is this forbidden? And is there a legitimate khilaf among the scholars concerning this?

Secondly, many people these days are seen folding their pants right before prayer and letting them down afterwards, is there any proof or legitimacy behind this or is this just a custom some adopted to make sure their prayer counts and if that is the case is it any good for them to do that, i.e folding up before prayer and letting down after? JazakAllahkhair

Me and my husband were having the same dicussion

[shargiya]

Salamalaikum, I still have not recieved a reply on this. Could someone possibly look into it? JazakAllahkhair

All I can say regarding this topic is that in the TPA class, SH. ABdulbary Yahya said that the hadith of the Prophet (s): "Whatever is below the ankles is in the hellfire..." means that definately it is fard to uncover the ankles all the time. However, the scholars disagree on if a person is AT the level of ankles (not abover or below)...most say this is "makrooh" or "borderline" in terms of sin--it is disliked, and the person is rewarded for leaving it, although maybe not punished for it (wearing AT the level of ankles).

About why people do it right at the prayer times, its pretty much the same concept as women who wear hijab ONLY at time of prayer. They were supposed to wear it elsewhere, and they do not, but somehow they feel guilty NOT wearing it during Salaah (or when the Adhan is being called, etc).

Many Muslims have the wrong notion that they can do anything but when it comes to Salaah, for that temporary amount of time, they have to be perfect (meaning the rules of Islam apply ONLY during Salaah). For example, people wearing shirts with pictures all of a sudden turn their shirts inside out for prayer, etc...

Allahu'Alam--could anyone please elaborate??

Originally Posted by shargiya

Secondly, many people these days are seen folding their pants right before prayer and letting them down afterwards, is there any proof or legitimacy behind this or is this just a custom some adopted to make sure their prayer counts and if that is the case is it any good for them to do that, i.e folding up before prayer and letting down after? JazakAllahkhair

I heard in one of Abu Usamah Ad-Dhahabi's lectures...i think it was Tafseer Surat Al-Baqara in the Q& A that it is based upon a hadith which has been classified as inauthentic by soem of the schoalrs, I also talked to another brother who is currently studying in Medina who said that it is inauthentic and is found in Sunan Abee Dawood

Allahu Alim

I've heard peoepl say soemthign to the degree tha tyour prayer is not accepted if you dont fold up your ankles...and im guessing they derive this from the same narration...Allahu LAim

Dr. Saleh as-Saleh has a book going into the issue and the conclusion is that the lower garment cannot go below the ankles, as far as the opinion mentioned by Ustadh Abdulbary in TPA..I recall him saying the same thing, but he did not quote who from the ulemaa have this opinion(saying that whatever covers the ankles is makrooh..I think he said that b/c the hadeeth doesn't mention the ankles, thus its doubtful). Wallahu alam.

[abumoosa]

Originally Posted by feras04

As-salamu Alaikum,

when it comes to nitpicking about little issues, let us be open-minded. Our deen is a deen of understanding,

Wa'aalaikum assalaam,

May allah protect you and bless you brother-what you have said is a GREAT thing-may allah guide us all. The following are the words of Sheikh Ibn Baz on such a statement:

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=en...QR=12808&dgn=4

Wa'assalaam

Abu Moosa

[abumoosa]

Originally Posted by feras04

Jazak Allah khair akhee.

I just wanted to point out the three opinions on the beard, by many respected scholars of the past, and all have valid hadeeth backing them up:

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1119503545028

wa alaikum as-salam

Wa'aalaikum assalaam akhi,

Barak allah feek, I suggest we let Sheikh Abdulbary Yahya reply to this post. As for the beard-akhi-there may be a few hundred opinions, but only one is correct. Wa allahu 'aalim.

and all have valid hadeeth backing them up

As for valid hadith backing them-please provide proof for the shaving of the beard-I am intrigued. Even for calling the matter makrooh-I would still like a valid hadith backing the opinion. May allah grant you good for going through the trouble of educating me,

Wa'assalaam


Abu Moosa

[abumoosa]

Assalaam'aalaikum,

Just in case you didnt check the link-heres the meat of the text:

The Messenger peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is the one who enjoined letting the beard grow and trimming the moustache; it is essential to obey him and to heed his commands and prohibitions in all matters.

Abu Muhammad ibn Hazm narrated that there was scholarly consensus that letting the beard grow and trimming the moustache is something obligatory, and undoubtedly happiness, salvation, pride, honour and good consequences lie in obeying Allaah and His Messenger, and doom, loss and bad consequences lie in disobeying Allaah and His Messenger. Similarly, wearing one’s clothes above the ankles is obligatory because of the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Whatever part of the lower garment hangs below the ankles is in the Fire.” (Narrated by al-Bukhari in his Saheeh). And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There are three to whom Allaah will not speak on the Day of Resurrection, nor even look at them or praise them, and theirs will be a painful torment: the one who lets his lower garment hang below his ankles; the one who reminds others of things he has given to them; and the one who sells his product by means of false oaths.” (Narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh). And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah will not look at the one who lets his garment drag out of pride.” (Agree upon).

So the Muslim man must fear Allaah by shortening his garment above the ankles, whether it is a galabiyah, an izaar (lower garment, waist-wrapper), pants or abayah (cloak), and not letting it come down below his ankles. It is better if it comes to mid-calf length. If the isbaal (letting the garment hang below the ankles) is done because of pride or arrogance, the sin is more serious; if it is because of carelessness and not because of pride, it is still an evil action and the one who does it is a sinner according to the more correct of the two scholarly views, but his sin is less serious than the sin of one who does it out of pride. Undoubtedly isbaal is a means that leads to arrogance even if the one who does claims that he is not doing it out of pride, because the warning in the ahaadeeth is general, so it is not permissible to take this matter lightly.

With regard to the story of al-Siddeeq (Abu Bakr), when he said to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “My izaar (lower garment) slips down unless I pay attention to it”, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to him, “You are not one of those who do it out of arrogance,” this applies to those whose case is like that of Abu Bakr with regard to their garment slipping down by mistake, not because of arrogance, but they still try not to let that happen. As for those who let their garment drag deliberately, this warning applies to them but not to people like Abu Bakr.

As well as the warning mentioned above, isbaal (letting the garment hang below the ankle) is also a kind of extravagance and exposes the garment to dirt and impurities, and it is an imitation of women. All of that dictates that the Muslim should protect himself from that. And Allaah is the Source of strength and the Guide to the straight path.


Fataawa wa Maqaalaat Mutanawwi’ah li’l-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, 6/323.

Wa'assalaam